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demmiblue

(36,866 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 08:26 AM Jul 2020

Woman Says She Was Fired Because Her Children Disrupted Her Work Calls

Drisana Rios of San Diego said in a lawsuit that she lost her job with an insurance brokerage firm after a supervisor complained that her children were being noisy during meetings.



A California woman has sued her former employer, saying that she was fired because her young children were making noise during business calls while she was working from home because of the coronavirus pandemic.

The woman, Drisana Rios of San Diego, filed the lawsuit last month against Hub International, a global insurance brokerage firm, alleging gender discrimination, retaliation and wrongful termination.

Ms. Rios, 35, said she had “worked harder than I ever have in my entire career” since she transitioned to remote work in March. She said that in addition to doing her job from home, she had to juggle her responsibilities as a caregiver to her 4-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son.

“I continued my normal duties as an account executive but now added two young children to the mix,” Ms. Rios said in a statement through her lawyer. “It was extremely difficult, but I managed to meet all the deadlines. There was some days where I had to work late to meet rush deadlines or any duties I couldn’t finish during the day because I had to care for both of my young kids at the same time.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/us/drisana-rios-lawsuit-hub-international.html

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Woman Says She Was Fired Because Her Children Disrupted Her Work Calls (Original Post) demmiblue Jul 2020 OP
Disgusting MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #1
Not at all. Jirel Jul 2020 #2
For all you know, she lives in a one bedroom apartment. Baitball Blogger Jul 2020 #3
I know exactly what I'm asking. It's not that uncommon, either. Jirel Jul 2020 #5
Her children are 4 and 1. intheflow Jul 2020 #8
Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #11
What does "change up access to work space" mean? MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #4
Her co-workers and boss all have families, stressors, and challenges too. Jirel Jul 2020 #6
To answer your question - Jirel Jul 2020 #7
Leaving a 1yo and a 4 yo alone Lars39 Jul 2020 #10
I'm an employer and kidless MaryMagdaline Jul 2020 #13
You've gotten it backwards. Companies need to adjust to new reality: if her work is done ... marble falls Jul 2020 #9
Not getting done well. Jirel Jul 2020 #12
Reality check: intheflow Jul 2020 #14
I've telecommuted for most of my long career, and i can completely empathize with this lady onetexan Jul 2020 #15
it is fucking annoying hearing kids while on a conference call Skittles Jul 2020 #16

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
2. Not at all.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jul 2020

Plenty of people work from home without kids disrupting work calls. It’s possible. The same goes for people who have dogs, parrots, whatever. If a person can’t do work calls without major background noise all the time that is disruptive, they need to either change up access to their work space or do this thing called parenting. It is NOT unavoidable.

Baitball Blogger

(46,747 posts)
3. For all you know, she lives in a one bedroom apartment.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jul 2020

Frankly, growing up in a household with parents that "parent" their children for doing what comes natural for young children has its downside.

Imagine growing up watching t.v. and learning how to suppress emotional outbursts of laughter in order not to bring attention to yourself.

You don't know what you're asking.

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
5. I know exactly what I'm asking. It's not that uncommon, either.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:04 AM
Jul 2020

Funny, neither I nor the kids I grew up with got to tear up the house and screech like wild banshees as toddlers. We didn’t feel “suppressed.” We just had a clue how to behave around our fellow humans of all ages, having been taught empathy and consideration early on. A number of my parents-friends are also raising great kids who express their emotions freely without having to do so at volumes that rival a jet plane. I’ve had employees who were able to bring their young kids into work when there was a daycare problem or other emergency, without any issue. They were welcome.

You can argue all you want about styles of parenting, but in the end, kids can either be allowed to rule the roost like selfish tyrants, or be relatively civilized young creatures who can take instructions and have patience for hours without an outburst. It’s not a boss’s and co-workers’ responsibility to put up with a parent’s choices that disrupt everyone’s work and make the worker and the company look horrible to clients.

The mom in this story wanted everyone’s schedule to revolve around her kids. That is not acceptable. Her co-workers and boss also have schedules, stresses, families, and obligations from caring for a sick family member or their own kids, to taking a class. They also have preferred times for meetings. Her inability to handle her unruly kids does not take precedence over every other person’s needs or expectations of a co-worker/employee.

intheflow

(28,484 posts)
8. Her children are 4 and 1.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:48 AM
Jul 2020

You are being delusional. She didn't choose to work from home, she worked from home due to the corona virus. This is some patriarchal, authoritarian parenting you're expecting from a parent of toddlers trying to both work from home and parent during a national disaster. Super-glad you are neither my parent nor my boss.

Response to intheflow (Reply #8)

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
4. What does "change up access to work space" mean?
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:33 AM
Jul 2020

Get a bigger apartment? Build a sound proof room?

As for “parenting,” I think that is the point. She had 2 jobs going on at the same time. No day care because of Covid, no in-house babysitting because of Covid and no extra pair of arms to help her.

What if she’s not a first rate parent? What if her kids are at the worst stage of development? What if they are acting out because of confinement?

Mercy over justice in this case, as in all cases. Direct her work towards fewer zoom meetings as reasonable accommodation.

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
6. Her co-workers and boss all have families, stressors, and challenges too.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:13 AM
Jul 2020

The problem wasn’t just company Zoom meetings. But even if it was, her schedule and needs don’t get to trump all her co-workers’ and boss’s. They’re all struggling, too, with a home workspace, pets, kids, out of work or stressed or home-working partners or roommates, possibly sick or in-crisis family members, etc. She wanted everything to revolve around HER needs, and the company said no, with good reason. It makes no sense, nor is it “merciful,” to let the issues of one person, especially during a crisis that is affecting everyone, overrule everyone else’s needs and struggles.

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
7. To answer your question -
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:26 AM
Jul 2020

“Change up access to work space” can mean many things. Among others -

Teaching the kids to stay put in the next room with the door shut while she is on the phone.
Creating some level of noise baffling, like a blanket over a door or divider.
Using a headset with noise cancellation.
Putting herself on mute except when talking.
Lots. Of. Options.

There are reasons companies don’t let everyone work from home. She failed to make the transition in a way that lets her do her work effectively and without disrupting other workers and sounding bad to clients. That’s on her, and no number of excuses like “the kids are at a bad age” change that. Other co-workers managed it. Other workers have kids, pets, family members needing care, etc. too. Nobody is reasonably expected to make endless accommodations for one worker, crisis or not.

MaryMagdaline

(6,855 posts)
13. I'm an employer and kidless
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 02:34 PM
Jul 2020

And our clients are all insurance companies. We’re all plowing through and cutting people breaks. My secretary just about went insane monitoring 3 kids on computers while she had to do her job. In her wildest dreams she never expected kids to be home when she accepted the job with our firm. If she had a toddler she never would have made it. I saw her logging in extremely early to keep up with her work. It was hard to watch her struggle. Now it all begins when school starts up.

I’m for maintaining human decency until we get to the other side, even over productivity. Peace

marble falls

(57,134 posts)
9. You've gotten it backwards. Companies need to adjust to new reality: if her work is done ...
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:50 AM
Jul 2020

well and on time, what is the squabble?

Jirel

(2,018 posts)
12. Not getting done well.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jul 2020

Note that the issues the employer was having in the article were:
1) schedule disruption (wanting lots of accommodations, but hey, she's not the only one struggling),
2) meeting disruption (affecting other staff), and
3) unprofessional communications with clients.

That's not getting the job done "well."

Reality check - there are a ton of great workers unemployed right now. The new reality is that if an employee is not getting work done to the standard that others are, it's easy to replace them with another person working from home who will.

intheflow

(28,484 posts)
14. Reality check:
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jul 2020

This is how your responses in this thread "read" to me:

* Corporate Interests Matter™!
* Human Stock Capital is so cheap it's disposable!
* Separate mothers from their children!
* Lock the babies up!

onetexan

(13,047 posts)
15. I've telecommuted for most of my long career, and i can completely empathize with this lady
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jul 2020

If her working remotely is because of covid, all the more reason for the employer to be sympathetic. Sending the children to daycare while she works would only further expose them, and eventually her through contact with the children, to covid. Here the employer will lose for sure since the pandemic has created an extraordinary situation that warrants the mother keep her children with her for their safety.

My implicit understanding with my employer is that working from home is a win-win situation for both parties. They save $ on facilities costs and the fact i can be flexible to work during non-US hours with resources overseas, and i benefit from not having to commute, to spend $ on gas & auto expenses, work clothing, & eating out. It also saved me afterschool childcare expenses as well since i had the flexibility to pick my kids up, and be with them for the sick days, school functions, doctor visits, etc. Part of this implicit understanding means the occasional dog bark, doorbell ring, delivery truck arrival, family members coming into your office, and whatever other interuptions during a work call are to be tolerated. As long as it is not a common occurence it should not be grounds for dismissal.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
16. it is fucking annoying hearing kids while on a conference call
Fri Jul 10, 2020, 04:59 AM
Jul 2020

but......I can take a reasonable amount of disruption during a pandemic.....however, if it is relentless and ongoing, maybe not so much

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