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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Mon May 28, 2012, 01:46 PM May 2012

Big Idea: To Fight Inequality, Link Worker Pay to Corporate Taxes

With both presidential candidates promising major reform of the federal tax system, we’ll start to hear variations on the phrase, “If you want more of something, tax it less, and if you want less of something, tax it more.” There’s more to taxes than just raising money to support public services and determining who deserves to pay. The tax code sets some basic priorities for the economy and society, so a better way to think about taxes is to ask, “How can we improve the tax code to get the kind of economy we want?”

If there’s one thing we should want less of in our economy, it’s inequality. And what we should want more of is economic opportunity for average working Americans. While we can’t and shouldn’t aspire to perfect equality, the story of the last 30 years has been a staggering shift in the other direction, toward the wealthiest: The top 1 percent, who now receive almost one-fifth of all income, is the big story, but the richest 10 percent have done all right, too. Meanwhile, the income of most of the middle class began to stagnate even before the recession, and the working poor have lost ground. As soon as the recession eased, the pattern got worse, and the income of the richest one-10th of 1 percent increased by more than 20 percent in 2010 alone.

We could use taxes and social programs to redress inequality directly, raising taxes on the wealthiest and using the revenues—after we reduce the deficit and shore up Medicare—to build support for the middle class and the poor. The economists Thomas Piketty and Emanuel Saez, the preeminent experts on inequality, have demonstrated that the top tax rate could go as high as 83 percent without harming economic growth. And in fact, our top rates have been even higher than that at times of rapid growth. But in a world where the very wealthiest hold enormous political power, this is at best a theoretical argument. High nominal tax rates like those of the prosperous 1950s are far outside the scope of political possibility.

But if we think of the tax code as a set of incentives, rather than simply a mechanism to redistribute income, there are creative and effective ways to moderate the extremes of wealth, boost the pay of ordinary workers, make American companies more stable and efficient, and reduce the long-term federal budget deficit..

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Big Idea: To Fight Inequality, Link Worker Pay to Corporate Taxes (Original Post) MindMover May 2012 OP
The other question is how do we compete with other countries for the best innovators and capital. dkf May 2012 #1
Thank you again for the RW perspective on things. Where would kestrel91316 May 2012 #2
Well what is your explanation for why we are able to overconsume compared to everyone else? dkf May 2012 #5
I do not accept these generalizations.... MindMover May 2012 #3
What is your explanation then? dkf May 2012 #6
Germany's tax rate RainDog May 2012 #4
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. The other question is how do we compete with other countries for the best innovators and capital.
Mon May 28, 2012, 02:18 PM
May 2012

If we aren't "can do" people with dreams of doing well what does that mean for our society?

There has to be a reward for achievement, and not just the achievement of going through the motions.

Greek workers spend more hours working but their productivity is way below other countries. That is why they are not competitive with the Germans.

It's a global economy now. We have prospered because smart ambitious people came here to hit it big and that had turned us in to huge consumers who use up more than our share of the world's resources. To keep this up we need to do a lot better than other countries or our standards will revert back to the mean closer to how the rest of the world's inhabitants live as other countries take over our role of attracting the best.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. Well what is your explanation for why we are able to overconsume compared to everyone else?
Mon May 28, 2012, 07:06 PM
May 2012

Or do you think we ought to stop doing so?

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
3. I do not accept these generalizations....
Mon May 28, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012
"We have prospered because smart ambitious people came here to hit it big and that had turned us in to huge consumers who use up more than our share of the world's resources."


"Greek workers spend more hours working but their productivity is way below other countries. That is why they are not competitive with the Germans."


I would suggest getting some new talking points.....

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
4. Germany's tax rate
Mon May 28, 2012, 02:45 PM
May 2012


As you notice, Germany's tax rate is far higher than Greece's.

Belgium's is even higher. Both of these nations are among the wealthiest in Europe and have full social safety nets for citizens, universal health care, job retraining, labor participation on corporate boards... they also have smart, ambitious people who hit it big, have more than one home, help their children by giving them homes (I've seen this in both of these nations with people I know in both of them), and yet... they are the shining examples of what to do.

hmmm.

I don't think you have a valid argument.

Any rich person who wants to leave America should go, if they don't want to pay taxes. And not be allowed to return because they have demonstrated their lack of patriotism. It's more patriotic to pay taxes than it is to wave a fucking flag and call for tax breaks.
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