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groovedaddy

(6,229 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:40 PM Jun 2012

White Working Chaos

Political analysts, journalists and academics are fighting over white working-class voters – over how to define them and what their political significance is. Part of the reason for the furious tone of the argument is that this is an issue of central importance in American politics. And it’s not just crucial for the presidential election: understanding what the white working class is and where it is going is fundamental if we want to understand where the country is going.

One side of the argument contends that the Democratic coalition retains much of its low-to-middle-income white working-class core. The other side argues that this alliance has been fractured by the defection of working-class whites and that the traditional Democratic coalition is permanently gone.

Part of the problem is that different people mean different things when they are talking about the working class. Is this cohort made up of those without college degrees; those in the bottom third of the income distribution; or those in occupations described by the federal government as “blue-collar”? (The government’s list of blue-collar jobs includes “heavy mobile equipment mechanic,” “pipefitter,” “welder” and “food service” workers.)

Whites without college degrees have been steadily shrinking as a percentage of the electorate, but they remain a very substantial block: in 2008, they made up 39 percent of all voters

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/white-working-chaos/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120625

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White Working Chaos (Original Post) groovedaddy Jun 2012 OP
Wonder why they don't identify with us? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #1
That's a Bingo! Macoy51 Jun 2012 #3
The Dem betrayal of the working class started in 1968. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #4
Good post, in addtition the idea that... MicaelS Jun 2012 #5
College draft deferments was another source of working class alienation. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #7
Not really my thought, but I agree with it. Mcubed1945 Jun 2012 #2
On the Unions rightward turn: annabanana Jun 2012 #6
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. Wonder why they don't identify with us?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jun 2012

What are the issues d'jour here?

1) porn
2) pot
3) privilege (the accusation that they have it, ironically)
4) student loan forgiveness (I'm sure that many of them wish they student loans to forgive)
...
99) economic populism

"Yeah, I now you attract more bees with honey, but dispensing vinegar makes me feel superior."

 

Macoy51

(239 posts)
3. That's a Bingo!
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 07:02 AM
Jun 2012

“99) economic populism”

That’s a BINGO! Show the working class person that his/her well being is our top concern and I think we will see a huge shift in the way they vote. Just like in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, if your kids are hungry, the bank is foreclosing on your home, and you job is being outsourced, you really don’t give a flying flip about social issues.

Why do you think FDR’s New Deal and “a chicken in every pot” went over so well? People will be much more willing to care about other issues, if we first help to make sure they and their family are well fed, have a home, and are healthy.


Macoy

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
4. The Dem betrayal of the working class started in 1968.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 AM
Jun 2012

The activist faction within the party became dominated by "bourgeois" upper middle class types obsessed with cultural issues who derided the values of working class Americans. This lead to the emergence of the "Reagan Democrats" and the alignment of working class white men with the Republicans. We Democrats are seen an "elitist" party of upper-middle class yuppies by a lot of working class people.

That doesn't mean gay rights, women's rights, etc. are not important, but they should not displace economic progressiveness as the central "hub".

Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about how virtuous they are because they bought organic food at Whole Paycheck they drive more working class people into the hands of the GOP.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
5. Good post, in addtition the idea that...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Jun 2012

The only people that mattered were those in the large urban centers, help drive away those in small town and rural areas.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. College draft deferments was another source of working class alienation.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jun 2012

A lot of hatred for the anti-war people by "establishment" Dems in 1968 ans 1972 came from that.

Mcubed1945

(9 posts)
2. Not really my thought, but I agree with it.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jun 2012

Ever since Richard Nixon kicked off his southern strategy, the republican party has consistently pushed so called social issues that have often barely disguised their attacks on blacks. Reagan's war on drugs is an excellent example and Bloomberg's stop and frisk is a glaring example. The whole republican strategy is, in my opinion, designed to increase friction between working class whites and minorities in general. By creating fear of minorities in their ranks they drive them into the republican camp.

We been to work hard at educating those voters and showing them that not only blacks and Latinos are suffering from those republican policies, but so are they in terms of lower wages, loss of food stamps, etc.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
6. On the Unions rightward turn:
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jun 2012

from Phil Ochs

And then in 1954, decisions finally made,
The black man was a-risin’ fast and racin’ from the shade,
And your union took no stand and your union was betrayed,
As you lost yourself a link on the chain, on the chain,
As you lost yourslef a link on the chain.

And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin’ on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.
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