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niyad
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niyad
(113,582 posts)am still crying.
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LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)basically, they are all getting traumatic brain injuries
paleotn
(17,989 posts)Warfare, particularly modern warfare, isn't a natural human activity and leaves deep psychological scares. My mom said my dad had nightmares all his adult life from what he experienced in Europe during WW2. They never went away.
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paleotn
(17,989 posts)As with most things like this, we're finally beginning to understand the physical impacts. Massed artillery fire really isn't anything new. WW1 and WW2 were full of it. Germans in WW2 thought less of US ground troops because we leaned heavily on our superiority in artillery to plaster a position for hours, sometimes days, before advancing. Russians did the same.
niyad
(113,582 posts)about exposures never seen before, not just the weapons, but the concentration of fire.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)Actually read the article and not fire from the hip? Surely not.
Lovie777
(12,330 posts)We try and keep him away from watching war movies especially the ones about the Vietnam war. He occasionally flips out tho such as an incident surrounding a site in Vietnam where he along with other US soldiers were stationed.
"Every night the Viet - Cong would say to them - tonight Marines you will die".
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)"The relentless firing was being driven by a small, top-secret Army Delta Force group called Task Force 9. President Donald J. Trump had given the task force broad authority to use heavy firepower, and the task force applied it with savage enthusiasm, often bending the rules to hit not just enemy positions, but also mosques, schools, dams and power plants."
niyad
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niyad
(113,582 posts)the goddamned military. FUCK WAR. This is the Agent Orange horror on an exponential scale. I would say unimaginable, but, sadly, completely unsurprising. Our own people are actual cannon fodder, and the military does what it did with the troops in Vietnam, deny, evade, equivocate, apply bandaids.
May all involved receive everything they deserve.
70sEraVet
(3,516 posts)'Other-than-honorable' papers.
"Others who started acting strangely after the deployments were simply dismissed as problems, punished for misconduct and forced out of the military in punitive ways that cut them off from the veterans health care benefits that they now desperately need."
Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread BootinUp
TygrBright
(20,771 posts)My Senators and Congresscritter are getting hard copy letters on this one.
It is a DISGRACE that both the Army and the Marines were discharging these soldiers and marines EVEN AFTER they were aware that serious problems had surfaced related to high-frequency/high intensity artillery unit missions.
It is a DISGRACE that we are not doing a better job of holding military leadership and the civilian leadership tasking them accountable for the safety and well-being of ALL personnel involved in ANY kind of mission.
sorrowfully,
Bright