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alp227

(32,046 posts)
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:37 PM Aug 2012

AP FACT CHECK: Social Security’s funding shortfall adds to budget deficit in a roundabout way

Now that Social Security is paying more in benefits than it collects in taxes, there is a fierce debate among politicians, academics and advocates about whether those shortfalls are adding to the federal budget deficit.

The issue is important because the federal government’s annual deficit already exceeds $1 trillion, making any more borrowing tough to swallow. If Social Security is adding to the government’s financial problems, it becomes even more urgent to fix it.

“Over 77 years and now through 13 recessions, Social Security has not added one penny to our deficit or our debt,” Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., said at a recent hearing by the House Ways and Means Social Security subcommittee. Becerra is the top Democrat on the panel.

“I believe that Social Security has not contributed one nickel to the deficit because it is funded by the payroll tax,” Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent who heads the Senate Social Security caucus, said in an interview.

(...)

The Facts: Social Security’s shortfalls are adding to the federal budget deficit, in a roundabout way. One big reason: The rest of the government has been running such huge deficits over the years that it has spent all of the surpluses accumulated by Social Security.

Here’s how it works: For nearly three decades Social Security produced big surpluses, collecting more in taxes than it paid in benefits. The government, however, spent that money on other programs, reducing the amount it had to borrow from the public, including foreign investors. That’s why some advocates complain that Congress has “raided” Social Security.

full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/fact-check-social-securitys-funding-shortfall-adds-to-budget-deficit-_-in-a-roundabout-way/2012/08/12/5865d98e-e499-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html

How about lifting the cap?

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AP FACT CHECK: Social Security’s funding shortfall adds to budget deficit in a roundabout way (Original Post) alp227 Aug 2012 OP
No, it doesn't. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #1
I have a much better idea. RC Aug 2012 #2
yes to raising the cap... TDale313 Aug 2012 #3
The box is locked because there are no more surpluses to steal. dkf Aug 2012 #5
Raise the Cap NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #4
I agree with raising the cap davidpdx Aug 2012 #6
Social Security is suppose to spend more than it takes in at this point. fasttense Aug 2012 #7
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. No, it doesn't.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:48 PM
Aug 2012

If Social Security is in a shortfall, every dollar of the trust fund they cash in, is a dollar of reduced US debt.

Imagine borrowing $10 to pay off $10 of credit card debt. At the end of the day you haven't changed your overall debt at all.

A social security shortfall only adds to the debt if you assume that the trust fund is pretend money. It's not.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. I have a much better idea.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:56 PM
Aug 2012

[font size="5"]Stop diddling with symptoms! [/font]
Change the tax laws to stop the out-sourcing of our Living Wage Jobs. Stop bailing out the gamblers and other parasites that are hoarding our money supply. Put them in prison for fraud and out right theft.
Start New Deal type government jobs programs to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. Pry the horded money supply loose so it can circulate on Main Street, not used for gambling chips on Wall Street, as it is being used for now.


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Let the government help "We the people..." for a change.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. yes to raising the cap...
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 10:57 PM
Aug 2012

Oh, and I'll say it... Al Gore was right. Lock f*@kin box. Quit stealing from the trust fund and the whining that ss is broke or bitchin' about paying that money back.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. I agree with raising the cap
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 04:54 AM
Aug 2012

I think if a person's retirement income is over a certain amount they should be ineligible for SS. I have no idea how it works now and probably won't ever get SS because I'm outside the US.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
7. Social Security is suppose to spend more than it takes in at this point.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 08:03 AM
Aug 2012

In 1983, Raygun, with the help of the Greenspan commission, doubled the Baby Boomers Social Security withholdings. With half of it we paid for our parent's retirement and the other half went into the Social Security Trust Fund. When we Baby Boomers retire, our money comes out of the Social Security Trust fund. There was a savings in the trust fund of $3.5 Trillion. That money is what we all paid in to cover our social security retirement.

Now people like Ryan want to take our Retirement Trust Fund and give it to Wall Street.

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