Are they being searched?

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Ask any teabagger of paulite if he wants to get rid of military and police that protect private property. They just want pure military government without any social policies.

Anarchists don't have problem with social policies of mutual support, that's what they do. But with the violent nature of states and governments and generally power hierarchies, oppression and injustice.

or the Heritage Foundation, and anything from Grover Norquist.

I wonder if this is a case of "Who will rid me of that troublesome priest."? Well armed anarchists have been adding to the body counts in the news recently. I wonder if someone high up just said, "we got to do something."

I'm not aware of murders by people with OWS leanings.

Anarchists are not just OWS. Mountain men, minutemen, all those anti-government freaks are anarchists as well. Robert Heinlein made the distinction in "Time Enough for Love", the loudmouthed anarchist is frequently rare and on occasion should be placed on the endangered species list. The small mouthed anarchist does not need that protection, they often shoot back." Sorry, didn't take the time to look it up, but I think I'm close to the original.)

So I naturally assumed that was what your post was about. Otherwise it's kind of a non sequitur.

Not entirely. I hope that the FBI etc are after the other type as well. As for OWS, correct target, wrong tactics.

are you talking about? Sounds like a blanket condemnation with no proof for the assertion. Anarchists may break windows and burn cars, but I've not read of any of them causing a body count. I call BS. Prove your claim or be quiet, please.

The man with his mountain fortress, killed his family and himself. Didn't believe in government. Anarchist? The Sikh hunter, racial supremest, anarchist? The Wackos in Waco, anarchists. Hell, I think the NRA with their obsession with defending themselves from the government are anarchists, or at least only a couple steps away. These so called militias, that idiot Judge in Lubbock. God, the list is so long there are days I feel I should upgrade my 1854 Replica Springfield.

You're lumping violent right-wingers in with Occupy activists. There are some small number of people (mostly black bloc) who attend Occupy events and commit vandalism, and I certainly do not defend them, but they're a totally different group with totally different political leanings from the people you're describing and, as far as I know, none of them have murdered anyone.

OWS is not the small mouthed anarchist, but they are the left side of the political bell curve as opposed to the right wing anarchist. However, they did not comport themselves well in a number of cases, the port action being one. OWS has the right target (I participated in the mellow San Antonio version) but in cases the wrong tactics.

Arrest me right the fuck now.

If Democrats or other "progressives" can't defend them, who will?

First they came for the libertarian socialists...

From the other link: "At a time when America’s liberal class seems to have decided that civil liberties are no longer worth defending (at least, when a Democrat is in office), it is left to anarchists to actually do something to fight for the principles that everyone claims to believe in."

"Reality is that many anarchists are just organizing gathering spaces, free libraries, free neighborhood kitchens." And neighborhood committees, protests against home evictions which are often very effective, art happenings, community gardens and other communal spaces, education work shops of organic gardening and what not, shelters and homes for homeless, psychological assistance, and not least of all, support for political prisoners. Publicity, letters of support, parties/demonstrations outside prisons etc.

Anarchist and squatter scene in my hometown, who have long fought city for free communal space, organize camping event in a park called 'Art Slum'. They been doing that for many years, long before Occupy movement.

A video about Greek ecovillage:

If they weren't, I hope they retire as millionaires on the civil suit proceeds.

But if they were violent. Fuck. That.

If Occupiers circle the wagons around violent protesters, fuck them too. You can't have it both ways.

is your language.

I have zero tolerance for violent assholes at protests.

You make it clear that you have problem with violence and anger management.

There are other issues here.

Is the government using a case of vandalism to track, harass and disrupt a network of political protesters?

Vandalism is horrific, but do a few smashed windows justify calling in all these people for questioning, seizing their computers and phones,, copying their address books, surveiling them, etc...

Or is the gov't also trying to map their social network and disrupt their protest movement? Some of the people called in for questioning were not even at the protests.

How much of our money is being spent to track and disrupt this network of protesters in the name of investigating vandalism? Maybe our money would be better spent investigating neo-nazi groups, who pose a much more real threat. Or even investigating corporate raiders, or widespread cover-ups of police brutality.

Next, why are the government and media conflating "anarchism" with criminality. Why is anarchist literature listed on the search warrants? There are about 800 different varieties of anarchism, and almost all anarchists are peaceful.

Are the gov't and the media again trying to smear the word "anarchist" and discredit the political or philosophical view by associating it with criminal behavior?

Some anarchists are criminals. But so some Democrats and some Republicans are also criminals. Many Democrats or Republicans have commited acts of vandalism and worse, yet their political literature is not seized as evidence.

There are many anarchists around the country living peacefully and non-violently, some in intentional communities. Why drag their good name thru the mud by associating all anarchists with criminality?

You make a good point that violence is bad. I agree anybody that commits violence should face the legal consequesnces. Good point.