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groovedaddy

(6,229 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:05 PM Oct 2012

A Schizophrenic on Death Row

(We've made some serious strides in our treatment of the mentally ill but this case demonstrates just how far we have to go. gd )
The Florida Supreme Court decided on Wednesday that the state can proceed with the execution next week of a 64-year-old inmate named John Ferguson. His lawyers immediately said that they will ask the United States Supreme Court to stay the execution and to review the case on grounds that Mr. Ferguson is mentally incompetent and that executing him would violate his constitutional rights as defined by the court in two earlier decisions.

The court must review the case. At issue are not only Mr. Ferguson’s life but also two differing interpretations of what constitutes competence: one Florida’s, the other the Supreme Court’s.

Mr. Ferguson believes that he is the Prince of God and that he is facing execution not for murders he committed but because of a conspiracy against him for being the prince. He believes that he cannot be killed and that he has “inner ears” so he can hear God whisper instructions. All of this is consistent with his being a paranoid schizophrenic, as he was diagnosed 40 years ago and many times since, including earlier this month.

The Supreme Court ruled in 1986 that it is unconstitutional to execute someone who lacks the “ability to comprehend the nature of the penalty.” In 2007, the court clarified that a “prisoner’s awareness of the state’s rationale for an execution is not the same as a rational understanding of it” and that evidence of psychological dysfunction may result in a “fundamental failure to appreciate the connection” between his crimes and his execution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/opinion/a-schizophrenic-on-death-row.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121018

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libguard

(40 posts)
1. Poppycock. Understanding the nature of the repercussions of their crime should be the criteria.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:38 PM
Oct 2012

Whether or not they believe they can be killed, is moot. This man cannot understand that his actions were wrong. That speaks to culpability. Any level of forethought and avoidance of repurcussions has become the determinant of constitutionality. That is too loose a definition. Simple paranoia could account for avoidance of being found out.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. Well it isn't. Which is as it should be.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:52 PM
Oct 2012

In this case, even your uniformed standard would not be met:

Mr. Ferguson believes that he is the Prince of God and that he is facing execution not for murders he committed but because of a conspiracy against him for being the prince.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
2. Prison + The mentally ill: they go together
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:04 PM
Oct 2012

I had a six month contract back in 1996 at the FCI Beckley in WV when it was just going online for prisoner admissions after it's construction. I was an RN and was shocked at the number of inmates that were incarcerated for criminal behavior that was secondary to mental illness. We had an inmate that had to be carried from his bed every morning with his feet held up from the floor because he thought sharks were swimming on it and he'd have screaming hysterics for the rest of the day if his feet touched the cell room floor. He'd spend his time in his cell, perched on his bed, watching the sharks circle around. If he needed to use the bathroom, the CO's would have to carry him to it with small trash cans around the toilet to put his feet on so he wouldn't get bit. They usually didn't cater to prisoners like that, but it was better than listening to his banshee screams for hours if his feet touched the floor. That was just one example. The prison system is filled with the mentally ill. That's their last stop and psychiatric care is almost non-existent for them. That particular inmate hadn't seen a mental healthcare specialist in two years and didn't have any follow-up scheduled. We had inmates that barked, inmates that were autistic, inmates that were severely clinically depressed and others that had various psychosis. It was estimated back then that over a quarter of inmates that entered the system were mentally ill. I don't know if that's still the correct statistic or if our mental health system has deteriorated so badly that it's gotten worse.

groovedaddy

(6,229 posts)
3. Yep. Great documentary done called "The Revolving Door" about
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:25 AM
Oct 2012

the mentally ill going in and out of the criminal justice system. A week ago, my daughter, who also suffers from a mental illness, had left an AA meeting with 3 other women attendees. They were standing outside a Denny's talking when a random guy walked up to my daughter and punched her in the face. One of the other women jumped on him, he threw her to the ground, dislocating her shoulder. A third woman wrangled with him. He pummeled her and she ended up with a concussion. The guy then sat down, lit up a cigarette and said "go ahead and call the police." The cops later told my daughter and the other women that the guy had psychiatric meds in his backpack. The locked him up for disorderly conduct and told the women that it was up to them whether or not to file assault charges. They're scared to do it because then the guy would have their names. Our mental healthcare system has gaping holes in it, most generated by lack of funding.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
5. mental hospitals should have made A LOT of campaign donations when they got wind that they would be
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:32 PM
Oct 2012

closed down in the 60s and 70s. Look what that approach has done for private prisons and prison guard unions.

Hell, mental hospitals could have bought their own three strikes law.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
4. don't other countries deal with this in two steps: 1) Did he do it? 2) Is he mentally ill?
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:30 PM
Oct 2012

We seem to be unique in confusing the second question with the first maybe because we see the mentally ill element as a get out of jail free card. If we dealt with the mentally ill component properly, it could end up with someone being out of public circulation LONGER than if they were declared competent since they have to be "cured" before they can be released.

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