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Dog Gone at Penigma

(433 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:31 PM Oct 2012

Conservative Perversion and the Right Wing View of Women

I wrote this last spring, but in view of the recent discussion of 'women in binders' and the clear differences between right wing and left wing views on women, including the recent comment from a woman associated with the Romney campaign on equal pay being a 'lefty agenda' item, it seems worth cross-posting from my blog penigma.blogspot.com.

The incident below occurred in CD8 in Minnesota; CD8, represented by Tea Party freshman Congressman Chip Cravaack, who has fallen in line like the good little soldier he is, has done nothing to raise the rate at which women are paid in his district of $0.73. The state average is $0.80cents paid to women for every dollar paid to men for the same or equivalent work; the rate in CD8 is the lowest in the state, and lower than the national rate of $0.77 cents. In Minnesota, as elsewhere, women are major contributors to the support of their families. For a party that claims to be about opportunity, denying equality seems to be denying opportunity; for a party claiming to support family values, undermining support for families is no family value.

But there is a greater issue underlying those positions, which is the proper role for women. At least in Minnesota, our conservatives, like Allen Quist, a former mentor of Michele Bachmann, who is also running to represent a congressional district, he believes women are genetically submissive to men.

I find myself having wandered into commenting and posting on DU after someone reposted something I wrote in July on guns and gun safety, around the frequency of incidents of firearms discharging in WalMarts, especially men accidentally shooting innocent toilets out from under their own derrieres and scaring the excrement out of others using the restrooms. That led to a surprising series of exchanges, and incidentally increases in blog traffic, as well as leading me to somewhat fall into participation here.

So, here is my first post. I'm not sure if the audio will embed properly; I need to experiment with learning the differences in DU posting tech.

The long-time DU poster who cross-posted my earlier pieces suggested this might be the best choice for where to post this piece. I hope you enjoy it.

Conservative Perversion
Earlier this week I was intrigued by the coverage of older men having sex with underage girls in Minnesota, done by MPR, courtesy of Dan Kraker:

"A courthouse shooting in Grand Marais last December shocked the small North Shore town. But the consequences now resonate far beyond the violence. The gunman was in his 30s when he was found guilty of having sex with a 15-year-old girl, and the news shed light a pattern in the town of older men sexually pursuing underage girls. A young woman, who asked not to be identified (above), said she became involved with older men but found it hard to distinguish between "new and exciting, and, 'I'm scared; this isn't OK.' " (Derek Montgomery for MPR News)
[link:http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2012/02/27/grand-marais-older-men-pursuing-teen-girls/]


A man convicted of sex with a 15 year old girl shot three people, because he didn't like being convicted. He shot those people, partly because it seems he didn't see anything wrong with what he did, and partly because other people were not caught and convicted for the same thing.

He had a feeling, and he had a gun, and he felt entitled to use it, the same way far too many people wrongly feel entitled to use firearms against other people in this country when they feel aggrieved. We have murders by stalkers, we have weekly murder suicides in this country. Many of those acts of violence are committed with legally owned, legally purchased firearms.

This one event, and the excellent coverage given to it by MPR struck me for several reasons. There is a pervasive attitude towards women and towards girls, and towards sex among a segment of people in this country that is fundamentally sick, twisted, perverted. The majority of people comprising this segment are men. It struck me that this same segment tends to be very big on having and using guns, and that their gun attitudes seem to be an extension of their debased attitudes towards women, the two topics are intertwined.

We have for example, Rush Limbaugh who believes that if a young woman wishes to use contraception, even if it is not for the purpose of having committed and responsible sex, including inside marriage, that she must be a slut, a prostitute. No surprise, Rush is anti- women, at least as equal human beings, including sexually; and he is pro-gun. That would be the same sex tourist to the notorious area catering to underage women supplied to men, the trip taken with huge quantities of Viagra by Rush, who demeans women routinely, who wants to keep women in their subordinate place, and who, judging by his multiple failed marriages, has problems with intimate relationships with women.

It's not a big reach to believe that the men in northern Minnesota who see nothing wrong with using behavior categorized as 'grooming' behavior to take advantage of women, women who are vulnerable and afraid when they enter these very unequal relationships. Women who clearly, as evidenced by the shootings in the Cook County Courthouse have not only the social risks to fear, but guns and other violence to fear.

The Grand Marais story describes the sexual exploitation of women and girls. The report quoted below is from the Virginia Department of Health, from the Coordinator of the Sexual Violence Prevention program; it describes how older men younger women exploitation works perfectly, who does it, and who is vulnerable to being victimized by it. Look at the description below, and then look at the Grand Marais story details:

Recognizing sexual coercion and exploitation
Anytime an adult has a sexual relationship with someone who is underage, it is a form of exploitation, even if no overtly coercive behavior appears to be involved. The adult is using the sexual and emotional inexperience of the teen to get something from them.

�� The teen herself may not (probably doesn’t) see the relationship as exploitive or coercive.
�� Many feel flattered that they are getting this affirmation of their attractiveness and maturity.
�� Even if the teen recognizes that the relationship is going too fast, or that it feels scary or uncomfortable, they will probably not express these feelings for fear of seeming “immature” or “unworthy” of the attention.
�� The exploiter will probably use grooming techniques to override resistance or objections on part of the young teen.
Threats: “I’ll tell everyone that you’re a slut if you don’t do it.”
Bribes: “I’ll take you to the prom.”
Status: “Hey, the other girls would kill to go out with me.”
Flattery: “You’re so sexy, I thought you were at least 18”
Intimidation: “no one will be able to hear you…”

An expanded description of grooming behavior follows:

Stages of “grooming” behavior
(note: the language below refers to the victim as “she” and perpetrator as “he,” but both may be of either gender).

Stage One: Testing
This is the tactic a sexual predator uses to “test” someone, to see if she is vulnerable. During this stage, the perpetrator will try to cross the teen’s boundaries in various ways: making sexual statements or innuendoes; giving inappropriate gifts; flattery; offering help with schoolwork; seeming to be emotionally nurturing or understanding; touching in seemingly “friendly” ways.

Stage Two: Desensitization
Desensitization is the tactic used to get someone “accustomed” to sexually coercive behavior. During this stage the offender tries to make the teen feel less sensitive to intrusive acts by minimizing her reactions to the offensive behavior—“I’m just being friendly!” The teen may begin to question her feelings, or to feel that she may be overreacting. The perpetrator will probably belittle the teen if she expresses doubt about sexual behaviors to force her to “prove” that she’s “worthy” of the attention he’s bestowing on her. He may also pretend to feel hurt, in order to make the teen feel guilty.

Stage Three: Isolation
Isolation means removing someone from sources of safety and support. The perpetrator may attempt to convince the teen that her friends are “immature” and that someone as mature as she should hang out with older teens/adults. He may insist that he is the only one who really cares about or understands her. Any objections the teen may express on behalf of herself or her family (“my parents told me I couldn’t date anyone older than me”) will be put down. If her friends try to convince her that she’s being taken advantage of, he will try to alienate her from them.

Stage Four: Control
Once the perpetrator has been successful in attempts to coerce the teen into a sexual relationship, he will usually try to maintain control over her with additional manipulative techniques. These may include:

• possessiveness • jealousy • further isolation from friends • threats and intimidation • threats of self-harm • expressions of love • anger and violence • gifts and bribery • playing on teen’s insecurity • constant presence
Sexual coercion may or may not include the use of force, threat, or intimidation. It may or may not include the use of “date rape drugs” to facilitate sexual assault. Alcohol is the most widely used “date rape drug.”

Other forms of sexual coercion may take place in the context of an abusive relationship. These forms include expressing anger, manipulating by appealing to sympathy (“you don’t love me”), jealousy and possessiveness and other controlling behaviors, including physical violence.

When I read and hear the comments of Rush Limbaugh, and the comments in support of his statements by conservatives who are waging culture war on women, what I hear is demeaning, what I hear is the reactionary concepts of masculinity and femininity, and the notions of sexuality as something dirty. That definition that is personified by Rush Limbaugh is described in that Virginia Department of Health Report under who is an abuser:

Who is at risk for being an exploiter?
Some of the same risk factors for being exploited apply to exploiters as well.

�� Older teens who may not feel confident of their ability to attract and maintain a relationship with an equal may turn to someone younger as a way to bolster self-esteem.
�� Men/older boys who have rigid, stereotyped views of masculinity may see the “conquest” of a young girl as an affirmation of their masculinity.
�� Older teens and adults who have control issues may find it easier to control someone who is younger.
�� Adults who have not been successful in their relationships with other adults may turn to preying on young teens.

These pro-Rush conservatives see relationships between men and women as one of conquest, not a relationship of equals. These conservatives waging culture war on women have no problem denying women easy access to contraception, which puts women under the control of men because of an inability to have control over their own bodies, their reproductive choices. These conservatives waging culture war on women seek to humiliate and violate women through trans vaginal ultrasounds, through demeaning and insulting factually inaccurate government intrusion into their medical decisions relating to sex and reproduction. These conservatives are the people who are trying to make it legal to commit certain kinds of rape, including statutory rape and date-drug rape where a woman is incapacitated. These are the conservatives who want to repeal equal pay for equal work laws, so that women can be financially controlled by men, and be financially less secure, and less independent by being unable to earn a fair wage for equal work.

So it should come as no surprise that where women are viewed as conquests, as conquered, as people to be controlled and exploited for male sexual gratification, as less then equals, that violence and intimidation are also present either overt threat, or by implication. The numbers of women who are victims of intimate partner violence, of domestic abuse, of murders and murder/suicides and stalking involving firearms is a matter of record. It so very often involves men who possess firearms; that is not an accidental correlation.

According to the UNICEF Report on Women and Violence from June 2000:

“Violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which have led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women...”

The United Nations Declaration on the EliminationGeneral Assembly Resolution, December 1993.

and in describing violence and gender based relationships

"violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men." It broadens the definition of violence by including both the physical and psychological harm done towards women, and it includes acts in both private and public life. The Declaration defines violence against women as encompassing, but not limited to, three areas:
violence occurring in the family,
within the general community, and
violence perpetrated or condoned by the State.

Whether it is the norm of sexuality espoused and demonstrated by Rush Limbaugh in his words past and present, and in his actions in the past, or the norms promoted by the older men exploiting younger and underaged female partners in Grand Marais, we have precisely the above-described attitudes of violence and exploitation of women. In the legislative efforts of the so-called conservative and often religiously dominionist right wing extremists, also personified by Rush Limbaugh but also by many others, including those who have advanced subordinating legislation or efforts to repeal protective legislation for women, we have the State approved violence and subordination of women by conservatives. It is no accident that their gun agenda supports that history of intimidation and violence, whether they express is specifically or not. Whether it is Rush Limbaugh, or Rick Santorum, or Nut Gingrich, or Mitt's full of money Romney, or the conservatives trying to wage culture war on women at the local, state and federal level, we have men oppressing women in the most perverse possible way.

We have the choise, to return to the violent, exploitive, oprressive and unequal days of pre-feminism, of pre-equality where women are humiliated, exploited, demeaned and kept subordinate. OR, we can recognize and oppose the conservative agenda for what it is, in the culture war on women, and in their ancillary pro-gun efforts for what they are. The right abuses the word freedom, but they are trying to make us anything but free; they pervert the word, they pervert the concept, they pervert the most intimate relations between men and women, they pervert the value and dignity of human sexuality.

Don't let them.

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Conservative Perversion and the Right Wing View of Women (Original Post) Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 OP
welcome aboard... great read!!! oldhippydude Oct 2012 #1
Glad you liked it - Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #2
I, for one, particularly liked it. I just left an FB thread in which two men said ancianita Oct 2012 #3
Great analysis! Lucy Goosey Oct 2012 #4
'feminizing' Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #5
Thanks for your contribution, and Welcome to DU! Quantess Oct 2012 #6
Their assumptions Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #7

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
3. I, for one, particularly liked it. I just left an FB thread in which two men said
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:53 AM
Oct 2012

that they'd just like to have a good talk about women's issues with some women. Two women enter the thread. One they ignore. The other they call bullshit on, call names, call angry. All because she takes offense when the first thing they say about her ideas is 'bullshit.' When she recommends famous female authors for them to read on women's issues, they say "We won't read no male bashing books," which all women's books must be, in their privileged view.

So yeah, I liked very much everything you said, because the political context is the public playing field that too many men are quick to exempt themselves from while they still enjoy the privileges of structural inequity that male leaders, behind closed doors -- church, business or government doors -- still keep shoring up against women.

The hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits, the hundreds of courtrooms devoted to nothing but domestic violence, the public judgment of women's appearance, voice, movements all speak to the perversion of equality and love toward women from the individual to the institutional levels. If even the president is having a hard time against conservatives, just to keep structures intact that will enable his daughters to live freely, one can only imagine what the average girl or woman is thinking about how the men in her life must really think about her.

"Perversion" is a good word.

5. 'feminizing'
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:15 AM
Oct 2012

There is a new line of thinking in conservative circles that claims we have 'feminized' education by not letting boys be boys, and get into fist fights without penalties. They claim that in turn has 'feminized' our nation, and our military, that we won't let men be men.

We also have the religious right, especially the more ultra-conservative fundamentalists, asserting that men should hit women who are rebellious instead of submissive, that we should hit children for a wide range of things, including their sexual orientation, beginning with babies under a year old, and in extreme conservative religious circles, that we should legalize the biblical-style killing of kids for being disrespectful.

The tea party wants to expunge any references to the founding fathers owning slaves, because that would teach children to be critical of the founding fathers, which is disrespectful.

Michele Bachmann was told to get out of the Iowa primary because some leaders felt that it was inappropriate for a woman to be our national leader, giving orders to men, when she should be submissive.

The notion of what should be allowed in the name of respect for authority, which the right defines as fundamentally male, with a willingness to be horrifically abusive to any challenge is as dangerous as a home-grown Taliban. The define power as gender, age, and property. They believe - if you look at the seminars at the last several years of CPAC, the conservative convention, that it is imperative to preserve the dominant white christian male control of power in this country, or we will cease to be America and go to hell in a handbasket.

This is a reassertion of power by white males, especially old white males. It favors violence.

It is anti-women, anti-children, anti-any other religion but extremely conservative Christianity, it is anti-people of color, it is anti-anyone who they perceive as different, including sexual orientation; it is even anti-disabled people.

We have Scalia claiming that the Constitution ALLOWS discrimination against women and gays, and presumably should allow discrimination against people of color if some individual or institution wishes to do so, as their 'FREEDOM' and right, in spite of the wording of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

These are the same people - like Rand Paul - who want to repeal the 1960s civil rights legislation because it infringes on individual freedom to discriminate.

Conservatives want to keep women and any other group that is not old, white, male, and either wealthy or wishing they were wealthy, in their place, and consider fundamentally that all of these people, including women, especially women, are inherently subordinate to them, and that they have a right to them in terms of exploitation, a right that they wish to be allowed to enforce with coercion, violence and threat of violence.

7. Their assumptions
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

Part of what they assume is acceptable, or good, is underlying the problem.

That can make it as much a cultural problem for a segment of men, as an individual problem.

It is what I feel I'm seeing every time one of these old white Republican men make the offensive right wing rape statements.

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