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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:12 PM Nov 2012

Mutations in the human brain are making us stupider, new research shows

"A Stanford University professor presented evidence Monday that mutations in the human brain — brought on by advances in society that have made survival less stressful — are eroding our intellectual and emotional capabilities."

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/human-beings-stupider-research-article-1.1200985

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Mutations in the human brain are making us stupider, new research shows (Original Post) damnedifIknow Nov 2012 OP
I could have told you that! FirstLight Nov 2012 #1
Great excerpt from "Faux and Friends"! n/t left on green only Nov 2012 #5
Could that be the reason why the scoring of the SAT's....... left on green only Nov 2012 #2
Not necessarily. Igel Nov 2012 #20
This professors brains fell out RegieRocker Nov 2012 #3
I don't know. damnedifIknow Nov 2012 #4
We didn't have to think RegieRocker Nov 2012 #6
That part about Detroit was pretty funny barbiegeek Nov 2012 #10
It's a pretty badly-written article caraher Nov 2012 #7
Our ancestors didn't have to think about traffic; did not have to deal with the complex social LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #13
Man, that second paragraph stressed me out. /nt Ash_F Nov 2012 #14
Hahaha RegieRocker Nov 2012 #15
Sounds like horseshit to me. bemildred Nov 2012 #11
Horseshit sound like =plop=. This sounds like human speech so I disagree. Kablooie Nov 2012 #18
I'm sure his research was impeccable. eyewall Nov 2012 #8
IQ test have been going up every generation we have measured. Exultant Democracy Nov 2012 #9
Flynn has a very nice explanation for the Flynn effect. Igel Nov 2012 #21
This sounds like one of those bullshit 'evolutionary psychology' theories with no evidence LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #12
The Teabaggers disagree marmar Nov 2012 #16
Then why do people today score higher on IQ tests of decades ago pnwmom Nov 2012 #17
Stanford, the Home of Eugenics Octafish Nov 2012 #19

FirstLight

(13,364 posts)
1. I could have told you that!
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:19 PM
Nov 2012


the electronic-gap, all our survival needs met, sprinkled with toxic water and air, genetically modified foods, etc...
we are SO on our way to Idiocracy, it aint funny...



left on green only

(1,484 posts)
2. Could that be the reason why the scoring of the SAT's.......
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:20 PM
Nov 2012

..........is now easier than it was during the 60's?

Igel

(35,359 posts)
20. Not necessarily.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:56 AM
Nov 2012

In the 60s a restricted set of students took the SAT. Mediocre students assumed they weren't going to college. Those with little money assumed they weren't going to college.

Over the years a more diverse--and I mean by achievement level--body of students have taken the SAT. It's pulled the average down, even as the top students, those who would have taken the SAT in the late '60s, continue to do better.

 

RegieRocker

(4,226 posts)
3. This professors brains fell out
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:25 PM
Nov 2012

and he researched his own brain and didn't know it. I say b.s. on this one big time.

 

RegieRocker

(4,226 posts)
6. We didn't have to think
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:41 PM
Nov 2012

about not getting run over by a semi, rear ended by another car etc 2 hrs a day. Nor did we think about retirement and have to plan for that. We didn't pay a multitude of bills. Somewhat learn to manipulate electronic numerous gadgets. Life is intrinsically more complex by a thousand fold than the days of our distant forefathers. Total b.s. I would say to this nimrod " move to the worst part of Detroit, stay for 3 months and get back to me if you're still alive dipshit".

caraher

(6,279 posts)
7. It's a pretty badly-written article
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:45 PM
Nov 2012

It does sound a bit like the professor has a screw loose, but it's just as likely the reporter did a lousy job. The claim isn't crazy, but the speculations outlined sound like something one step removed from quotes in an Onion piece.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
13. Our ancestors didn't have to think about traffic; did not have to deal with the complex social
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:21 PM
Nov 2012

systems that we have now (mostly they met the same small number of people every day); did not have to 'earn a living' in the way that people do now, etc.

They had their own problems. You had to think about finding shelter and hunting enough food to eat; and about avoiding being hunted yourself. But it's not clear that this needs MORE thought than e.g. negotiating a busy road; avoiding being burgled or mugged; going to school for a minimum of 10 or 11 years; training for a job; meeting your work targets; socializing with varied and diverse groups of people; selecting a partner and being selected by one where there is far more choice than in the primeval hunter-gatherer village; etc; etc; etc. Few people are able to spend their entire lives 'watching the tube and burping'.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Sounds like horseshit to me.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

Thinking has changed a lot, but I doubt very much we are dumber in any intrinsic way.

Igel

(35,359 posts)
21. Flynn has a very nice explanation for the Flynn effect.
Sat Nov 17, 2012, 11:05 AM
Nov 2012

That's the fairly consistent IQ increase.

IQ tests set out to measure a certain kind of thinking and we think of it as innate. Educated, abstract sorts of things. To do this, they use certain kinds of questions and assume that it's IQ that helps us to solve or answer those questions.

We know that there's some innate component to IQ because IQ increases with age. We know that you get better at the kinds of things that the tests test, and norm the tests by age as a consequence. Ultimately the only way to test that is to test things that aren't innate.

If the average IQ score is increasing, it means average IQ is increasing, we are improving at test taking, or both. If IQ is innate, the question has to be, Why is it increasing?

However, we increasingly teach the kind of thinking that IQ tests target because we want students to do well on tests--learning isn't the goal, scores are the goal. We increasingly focus on teaching the question-answering strategies that the IQ tests use. There's no actual evidence that IQ's increasing.

Our vanity tells us to take the Flynn effect at face value. We're better than others, smarter than others. We trounce our parents and grandparents when it comes to what's important, smarts.

Instead we teach to the test and are taught to the test. What's funny is when the people who think they have higher IQs (and who have higher IQ scores because of teaching to the test) complain about how teachers teach to the test.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
12. This sounds like one of those bullshit 'evolutionary psychology' theories with no evidence
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:10 PM
Nov 2012

We don't really know how intelligent our prehistoric ancestors were compared with ourselves, or what proportion of them did survive to reproduce. Evidence from tool use, communication, cave-painting, etc. shows signs of intelligence - but no real way of comparing their cognition with ours. Indeed, it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to find suitable ways of making accurate comparisons of intelligence in people from radically different cultures at the same time, let alone millions of years apart.

Since soft tissue does not fossilize, we don't have much evidence of subtle brain changes, even if there were any.

The most likely scenario is that our ancestors' genetic brain capacity was similar to ours, but that they were more likely to show reductions in intelligence due to malnutrition, disease, birth injuries, etc. What does not kill us does not always make us stronger; often it makes us less healthy and less intelligent.


What can be said is that, if IQ is taken as a measure of intelligence, IQ has been steadily going UP during the last 100 years, i.e since IQ tests have been in large-scale use. Not due to brain mutations - there hasn't been enough time - but to changes in culture, education, health, nutrition, etc.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
17. Then why do people today score higher on IQ tests of decades ago
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:10 AM
Nov 2012

compared to people then?

I don't think the situation is nearly as clear as the Stanford professor would like us to believe.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. Stanford, the Home of Eugenics
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 07:16 PM
Nov 2012

Edwin Black explains:

Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

EXCERPT...

Stanford President David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as talent and poverty were passed through the blood.

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