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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:31 AM Nov 2012

The Ku Klux Klan once again controls Indiana

I thought this was particularly interesting because it's written by the legal editor of Pravda.
Apparently he's written a number of articles about Indiana.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-11-2012/122768-Ku_Klux_Klan-0/

Opinion » Columnists
The Ku Klux Klan once again controls Indiana
12.11.2012

At first glance, the results of America's 2012 election appear to be a triumph for social, racial, and economic justice and progress in the United States: California voters passed a proposition requiring the rich to shoulder their fair share of the tax burden; Two states, Colorado and Washington, legalized the recreational use of marijuana, while Massachusetts approved the use of marijuana for medical purposes; Washington and two other states, Maine and Maryland, legalized same-sex marriages (the first states to do so by popular vote), and Minnesota voters rejected a proposed constitutional amendment that would have banned such marriages.

<snip>

But these pundits failed to look at Indiana, where election results have potentially turned the clock back to the 1920s-an era of racism and repression when D.C. Stephenson and his Ku Klux Klan controlled Indiana's Republican party apparatus and its governor, Edward L. Jackson.

As I noted in a previous Pravda.Ru article, Boycott Indiana (January 11, 2012), Indiana has always had a sordid reputation when it comes to race relations: "Sometimes referred to as the 'northernmost southern state,' Indiana's Constitution of 1851 banned African-Americans from coming into or settling in the state. During the 1920s . . . up to one-third of all white males in the state were members of [the Ku Klux Klan], and in 1930, in the City of Marion, two African-American men, Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith, were the victims of a highly publicized lynching."

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In another Pravda.Ru article, May God Damn Wall Street, the Republican Party, and the Supreme Court (February 14, 2012), I further explained why the Republican party's war on workers in Indiana has been particularly effective: "Political corruption flourishes in Indiana, because, unlike Wisconsin, it has no recall process, so venal politicians cannot be removed from office until the next scheduled election, which, in turn, gives them ample time to gorge themselves on the corporate trough. And there is no mandated referendum process, so these same politicians can easily ram through legislation that benefits their corporate masters, even when it hurts their constituents."

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David R. Hoffman
Legal Editor of Pravda.Ru


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The Ku Klux Klan once again controls Indiana (Original Post) bananas Nov 2012 OP
The author jehop61 Nov 2012 #1
Have you listened to Joe Donnelly? Tutonic Nov 2012 #7
How did Obama win it in 2008? pstokely Nov 2012 #10
Gary and the Southeast CHI suburbs. Myrina Nov 2012 #12
Yep, same with Gregg and Pence ... Myrina Nov 2012 #13
"even when it hurts their constituents." BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #2
To be fair to Indiana PATRICK Nov 2012 #3
Not sure that the author was writing the entire state off. I think that he was noting that Tutonic Nov 2012 #8
my son came home from school mzteris Nov 2012 #4
It's the CHURCHES - not the Klan. Chipper Chat Nov 2012 #5
Soviet-era saying. Igel Nov 2012 #6
I was curious enough to do a little digging.... mojowork_n Nov 2012 #9
You know, reading an article like this should give us some insight... Ash_F Nov 2012 #11
The history lesson is interesting jade3000 Nov 2012 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #15
Indiana Politics Idealist1-1 Jun 2013 #16

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
1. The author
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:37 AM
Nov 2012

neglects to mention that the state is sending a Democrat to the Senate. A totally biased work which misinforms.

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
7. Have you listened to Joe Donnelly?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:38 PM
Nov 2012

He is two degrees removed form Richard Murdouch. Unfortunately, the author is correct. The Republican Party that dominates in Indiana is filled with KKK members. Indiana like southern Missouri has always been a haven for racists. Even a blue dog such as Evan Bayh knows to keep his distance from Obama and the progressive wing of the party--otherwise he might find a burning cross on his lawn.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
12. Gary and the Southeast CHI suburbs.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:39 PM
Nov 2012

Predominantly African American, and close to the area where he did his community and state senate work in IL.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
13. Yep, same with Gregg and Pence ...
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
Nov 2012

... Gregg was in NO WAY a liberal Dem running for Governor. He was very center-right and Pence was just 100% on the Tea-Train. Unfortunately for us, we got Pence moving into the Gov's mansion in a few months, to carry on Mitch Bonaparte's crony-privatization of the state.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. "even when it hurts their constituents."
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:41 AM
Nov 2012

You get the government you vote for.

If Indianans continue to vote for RepubliKKKans who are beholden to corporate megabucks, out of racism and hatred for anything not pink-skinned, then they'll have to pay the price for that prejudice and bigotry. I have no tolerance nor sympathy for those types, and Indiana can shrivel up and die off for all I care.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
3. To be fair to Indiana
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:20 AM
Nov 2012

I think it is time to look at other states from that era when the KKK, in an echo of a supposedly modern GOP strategy, found fertile ground in Northeastern GOP states? The political value of hate and mistrust is a legacy of the Civil War. The GOP seems to have triumphed in a Union of all the hate on all the sides no matter the historical/regional/class/race contradictions.

I think the thesis should be broader than Indiana. Nor should the entire state be isolated and written off.

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
8. Not sure that the author was writing the entire state off. I think that he was noting that
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:45 PM
Nov 2012

the Republican Party that flourishes in the state is filled with KKKers. If you look at Indiana politics and culture darting back to Reconstruction there has always been a link to the KKK and other white supremacy groups. Of course there are other states (i.e., Oklahoma, Mississippi, Kentucky etc) that have state and national legislatures that are known supremacists, but Indiana is unique in that it is a northern state that continues to suppress its minority populations in the same manner that a backward southern state does.

mzteris

(16,232 posts)
4. my son came home from school
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nov 2012

saying something about Massachusetts and the Klan - as in significant current activity - not 100 years ago.

Haven't had a chance to do any research on that yet.

Chipper Chat

(9,682 posts)
5. It's the CHURCHES - not the Klan.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:44 AM
Nov 2012

Indiana preachers stoke the social issue fire every sunday. Anti-gay rights is still a huge issue with church-goers. But abortion is the biggie. Ronald Reagan is still God here. A weak democratic party + The influence of the Baptist, Catholic, Church Of God, and the Assmbly of God is just too much to turn the state blue. And with the election of the utra-rightwinger, Mike Pence, as governor we are in for more of the same. But the state is slowly shedding itself of the KKK image - a good sign.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
6. Soviet-era saying.
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:05 PM
Nov 2012

Net pravdy v Pravde, net izvestiyy v Izvestiyakh.
There's no truth in Truth ("Pravda&quot and no news in News ("izvestiya&quot .

At least there was a bit of news in Pravda and a bit of truth in Izvestiya.

Then came a serious rift in Pravda's editorial board, a rift that went all the way down to the stringers. All the newsy people went elsewhere. What was left formed Pravda.com.

True believers in Russia seem to form a trinity, three in one. Skinheads, the extreme Orthodox, and those who believe (in) Pravda.com, all united by their paranoia of outsiders and convinced that the entire universe revolves around subverting Russia and all other places are evil.

mojowork_n

(2,354 posts)
9. I was curious enough to do a little digging....
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:32 PM
Nov 2012

After the collapse of the old Soviet Union, Правда was purchased by some foreign (Greek) entrepreneurs and run by them for 4 or 5 years. When they lost interest in the project and started another paper -- where those newsy people went (to write about crime and scandal?) -- Правда was on a slab at the morgue for a few weeks. Until it was purchased by the Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации; КПРФ; Kommunisticheskaya Partiya Rossiyskoy Federatsii; KPRF.

(I hadn't known that that party has gone over to the Russia First end of the political spectrum, but you're probably a great deal more familiar with the internal scene than I am.)

When my favorite Russian publication went through a metamorphosis, it was still very similar to the vision of the original founders:

http://exiledonline.com/

(Where I first read Matt Taibbi. Still an interesting source of unique commentary.)

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
11. You know, reading an article like this should give us some insight...
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:18 PM
Nov 2012

...on how our own opinion writers don't necessarily understand what is going on in the countries they write about(Iran/Iraq/Libya/Pakistan ect)

jade3000

(238 posts)
14. The history lesson is interesting
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:46 PM
Nov 2012

But I'm not sure about the analysis of the present.

A few things:

My father is from Indiana. From the article: "Sometimes referred to as the 'northernmost southern state'". That's what he always says.

It's so crazy that the state constitution flat out denied access to "negroes and mulattoes". I think there might have been an early revision to change it from "shall" not enter or reside in the state to "should" not. And just in case they had problems enforcing that, they also included "No negro or mulatto shall have the right of suffrage." Hard core racism.

Response to bananas (Original post)

Idealist1-1

(1 post)
16. Indiana Politics
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jun 2013

I find this info fascinating, as my family and I were run out of a home that was bought and paid for. Our trouble began after making a legitimate complaint about a cop, so we are not impressed by any Hoosier authority, as we could not get ONE ounce of help with things like neighbors constantly terrorizing us and our animals with devices -???- that exploded, and fireworks, guns...you name it. And then an attorney told us we had a 'beautiful' ~LOL~ civil rights case. We were taken to the bank by this man to the tune of FORTY THOUSAND dollars, and before anything went to trial he 'retired'. We believe he was paid off. My husbands job is here, or we would leave Indiana. We are living proof that it's corrupt. To the core. And the trouble has followed. So....hmmmm.

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