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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 05:50 AM Nov 2012

WWII coded message found on dead pigeon's leg

Britain's top code-breakers say they are stumped by a secret code found on the leg of a dead pigeon.

The remains of the bird were found in a chimney in Surrey with a message from World War II attached.

Experts at the intelligence agency GCHQ have been struggling to decipher the message since they were provided with it a few weeks ago.

They say it may be impossible to decode it without more information - some of which could come from the public.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20456782

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WWII coded message found on dead pigeon's leg (Original Post) dipsydoodle Nov 2012 OP
I is probably Mitt's economic plan when he is president. jerseyjack Nov 2012 #1
My guesses: (1) since it's coded, it's sent from occupied Europe, not struggle4progress Nov 2012 #2
wow... SoapBox Nov 2012 #3
A pigeon for a pigeon! King_Klonopin Nov 2012 #4
Has World War II carrier pigeon message been cracked? dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #5
I think Young full of BS struggle4progress Dec 2012 #6

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
2. My guesses: (1) since it's coded, it's sent from occupied Europe, not
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 05:53 PM
Nov 2012

from an observation plane; and (2) the code technique is one-time pad, so unless the code folk have kept all their WWII records, we'll never know what it says

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. Has World War II carrier pigeon message been cracked?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:20 PM
Dec 2012

An encrypted World War II message found in a fire place strapped to the remains of a dead carrier pigeon may have been cracked by a Canadian enthusiast.

Gord Young, from Peterborough, in Ontario, says it took him 17 minutes to decypher the message after realising a code book he inherited was the key.

Mr Young says the 1944 note uses a simple World War I code to detail German troop positions in Normandy.

GCHQ says it would be interested to see his findings.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20749632

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
6. I think Young full of BS
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:24 PM
Dec 2012

His scheme is to read down and usually take the 5-letter blocks as acronyms

AOAKN = Artillery observer at 'K' Sector, Normandy
RQXSR = Requested headquarters supplement report
PABUZ = Panzer attack - blitz
UAOTA = West Artillery Observer Tracking Attack
LKXGH = Lt Knows extra guns are here
KLDTS = Know where local dispatch station is

and so on. Alleged translation is at HuffPo

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/16/world-war-2-pigeon-code-cracked_n_2311364.html

One major problem is: there's really no just possibility of communicating effectively in this manner using only acronyms

For example, in decoding RQXSR and LKXGH and KLDTS

how do we know the X in RQXSR stands for HQ but the X in LKXGH stands for EXTRA? or that that L in LKXGH signifies LT but the L in KLDTS signifies LOCAL?

Moreover, if this is based on a WWI code book, how come there's code for PANZER and BLITZ?

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