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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:44 AM Mar 2013

Unfit For Work: The startling rise of disability in America

(This is a web adjunct to this week's This American Life episode, Trends With Benefits.)

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

Over and over again, I'd listen to someone's story of how back pain meant they could no longer work, or how a shoulder injury had put them out of a job. Then I would ask: What about a job where you don't have to lift things, or a job where you don't have to use your shoulder, or a job where you can sit down? They would look at me as if I were asking, "How come you didn't consider becoming an astronaut?"

One woman I met, Ethel Thomas, is on disability for back pain after working many years at the fish plant, and then as a nurse's aide. When I asked her what job she would have in her dream world, she told me she would be the woman at the Social Security office who weeds through disability applications. I figured she said this because she thought she'd be good at weeding out the cheaters. But that wasn't it. She said she wanted this job because it is the only job she's seen where you get to sit all day.



People who leave the workforce and go on disability qualify for Medicare, the government health care program that also covers the elderly. They also get disability payments from the government of about $13,000 a year. This isn't great. But if your alternative is a minimum wage job that will pay you at most $15,000 a year, and probably does not include health insurance, disability may be a better option.

But going on disability means you will not work, you will not get a raise, you will not get whatever meaning people get from work. Going on disability means, assuming you rely only on those disability payments, you will be poor for the rest of your life. That's the deal. And it's a deal 14 million Americans have signed up for.
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Unfit For Work: The startling rise of disability in America (Original Post) Recursion Mar 2013 OP
The Scammers use back injuries UglyGreed Mar 2013 #1
We are living increasingly unhealthy lifestyles. Rozlee Mar 2013 #2
She looks at that on the radio show Recursion Mar 2013 #3
I'm on disability myself. Rozlee Mar 2013 #4
I think there are something like 800,000 disabled vets in the US Recursion Mar 2013 #5
This reporter is UglyGreed Mar 2013 #6
The apples-to-oranges is her mental world vs. Ethel's Recursion Mar 2013 #7
Thank you for your reply UglyGreed Mar 2013 #8
I don't think I expressed myself well Recursion Mar 2013 #9

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
1. The Scammers use back injuries
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 10:09 AM
Mar 2013

to collect benefits because it is hard to prove they are lying. On the other hand those who are truly suffering from chronic back pain are the new Reagan Welfare queens. Got to love the new American way of throwing those who suffer under the bus instead of going after fraud which includes doctors and lawyers who work together to allow the scammers to profit.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
2. We are living increasingly unhealthy lifestyles.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:45 AM
Mar 2013

This is another reason for the spike in disability, especially in the south, where there is a higher level of diabetes and obesity, which precipitates other problems like strokes, kidney failure, amputations, heart disease, and yes, back problems. The South is also leading the country in clinical depression, another disabling disease. But, it's not only the South. The entire country has adopted the same Super-size it mentality toward it's life-style of diet and exercise. The writer said something about nurses's aides. A lot of hospitals and other companies have downsized their workers or gone on the cheap about hiring. Back pain from lifting heavy patients is a major cause of workplace injuries in healthcare. You're not supposed to lift a patient on your own, but I know from working in the health field, that when you're short-staffed and it's a madhouse out there, workers fear getting behind and just try to do the job by themselves. With predictable results. Yes, there's plenty of abuse of the system going on. But, a lot of it is our own lack of a healthy lifestyle choice. The average American today watches 8 hours of TV a day. I presume much of that includes snacking on Debbie Cakes, pizza and sodas.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. She looks at that on the radio show
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:50 AM
Mar 2013

There's some evidence of what you're describing, but obesity and diabetes don't correlate with the unemployment rate, while disability claims do.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
4. I'm on disability myself.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

Albeit mine is connected to neurological problems and organ damage related to my service in the Gulf Wars. Has any kind of correlation been done to connect vets with disability? There are 100,000 vets now that the VA conservatively believes have PTSD. Like I said, that's a conservative number, along with the tens of thousands that have actual combat injuries. Those of us with service-connected injuries or illnesses can draw VA disability and Social Security disability. But, there are about a million petitions in the VA system right now. Has any study been done on this?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. I think there are something like 800,000 disabled vets in the US
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:40 PM
Mar 2013

That's a good question, but 800K out of 14 million probably wouldn't be that big of a dent in the overall trend.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
6. This reporter is
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:53 PM
Mar 2013

also comparing apples to oranges when she states that she suffers from a sore back and her editor has one herniated disc. I myself have nine ruptured and herniated discs in my neck and lower back on top of having stenosis of the spine in both areas. Never mind degenerative disc disease and arthritis throughout my spine. Oh and by the way when I hurt my back I was 26 years old 5'10 and 155 lbs and no I do not collect a dime just dirty looks. This happen in 91 before all the Binder and Binder ads on TV.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. The apples-to-oranges is her mental world vs. Ethel's
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:55 PM
Mar 2013

She lives in a place where there are jobs in which having a herniated disk (or nine) isn't a barrier. Ethel has literally only seen one such job in her life, and has trouble processing the idea that there are more of them out there (because they aren't in that part of Alabama).

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
8. Thank you for your reply
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:10 PM
Mar 2013

I just found it a bit condescending to those who suffer. I mean would they belittle the pain of a cancer patient even though they may not be able to see the suffering? I expect that type of backhanded remark from a Fox News reporter not NPR.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. I don't think I expressed myself well
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:14 PM
Mar 2013

The issue isn't Ethel's pain, which Chana doesn't doubt, but the disconnect that Chana has worked with people with very bad back pain, because she lives somewhere with jobs that they can do, but Ethel lives somewhere with no jobs that don't require constant standing and lifting of things.

It's even more clear in the radio episode; she goes on to ask Ethel's husband (also on disability) if he ever thought about a job that doesn't require physical labor and he was puzzled by the very idea -- just like she was puzzled by the idea of a place where that's the only kind of job there is.

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