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citizen blues

(570 posts)
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:45 PM Mar 2013

So You're Shocked Some Young Southern White Dude Defended Slavery at CPAC

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I read this article some days ago, and it has stayed with me. We have a problem. As a country we have a problem when this is the accepted culture across a large swath of our population. Some are so frustrated and disgusted with the south, they joke about the next time the south wants to rise; we should just let them go. Regretfully, I've been known to chuckle at that sentiment myself. I certainly understand the sentiment.

But let them go? No. We can't do that. Like it or not, the rest of us help keep this mindset in check. Even with as ugly as the south still is today, do you really think that conditions wouldn't be far worse if it weren't for civil rights legislation being imposed? Without the rest of the country, there would be nothing to stop the south from falling into the old familiar ways.

It’s not like the south is an economic success story. It's not. You can look at the 10 worst states in any category and the majority will be southern. Lowest educational outcomes; highest infant mortality; highest teen pregnancy rates; highest obesity, diabetes, heart disease rates; the list goes on. What's even more frustrating is that these are the same states where the majority of voters proclaim a hatred of government and accuse the educated of being elites. All while they lag woefully behind the rest of the country.

I wonder how we can ever begin to overcome this. I don't know. There are no easy answers. One thing is certain, a culture where the clergy can excuse slavery as long as "they were treated well" has no place in the 21st century. The glorifying of the confederacy and all it stood for has been tolerated for far too long. It's not time for the south to "rise again;" it is time for them to join the rest of the civilized world.

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So You're Shocked Some Young Southern White Dude Defended Slavery at CPAC (Original Post) citizen blues Mar 2013 OP
Well, I've said it before and I'll just say it here again Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #1
What is it about South Carolina GeoWilliam750 Mar 2013 #2
Forgot one very important detail Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #4
I think it goes back even further than this GeoWilliam750 Mar 2013 #6
Get rid of hate radio and Fox News Doctor_J Mar 2013 #3
Couldn't be sustained by the print media...................... firenewt Mar 2013 #5
get rid of fundy churches. n/t mzteris Mar 2013 #7
There are some really easy answers: 1 - prosecute war criminals just1voice Mar 2013 #8
From my years, Dan Mar 2013 #9

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
1. Well, I've said it before and I'll just say it here again
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:19 PM
Mar 2013

South Carolina, the state that article concentrates on, was actually a more violent state towards its slaves. The farther south you got, the more violently they treated their slaves. Had to, because conditions got worse as you got further south, and in South Carolina you were very frequently dealing with swamps and yellow fever and all that. So one wonders what it meant to treat a slave well there.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
2. What is it about South Carolina
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:49 PM
Mar 2013

That for nearly three hundred years of which I am aware, it has produced a disproportionate number of belligerent, megalomaniacal crazies. Often, the culture of a society is driven by a few people, whose powerful personalities set the tone, often for generations.

It is also odd because at one point, colonial South Carolina reportedly had one of the most open policies regarding practice of religion (amongst whites), partly due to the difficulty of attracting immigrants.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
4. Forgot one very important detail
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:37 PM
Mar 2013

There were, back in slave days, more blacks than whites, and this contributed to the violence with which slavery was maintained in South Carolina. They grew rice and indigo in those swamps; cotton was not king in that state. It was highly labor-intensive, so you needed a lot of slaves.
Not sure if that has anything to do with what you're talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
6. I think it goes back even further than this
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:20 PM
Mar 2013

Also interesting that much of black slavery was - as I uunderstand - for rice production in swampy areas. Slaves from equatorial Africa were not vulnerable to malaria as Caucasian immigrants.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
8. There are some really easy answers: 1 - prosecute war criminals
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:47 PM
Mar 2013

2 - prosecute criminal bankers.
3 - Make the trials of both mandatory on television so people can learn just how corrupt this country has become.

These actions would send the clear signal that there are no elites, no one is above the law and purposeful ignorance and criminality are not acceptable in our great country.

Dan

(3,564 posts)
9. From my years,
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 07:38 PM
Mar 2013

I have always thought that there was no sense of shame over the times/events of slavery;

That there was no sense of wrongness over the failure to provide basic civil rights - post slavery;

There was only a sense of pride - about being wrong;

Maybe the lack of an education or the failure to address the mis-education,
the religious institutions and their teachings (mark of Cain),
a history and society that defined people by the color of their skin,
a culture that take pride in what they are today is because of what they were yesterday,
the idea that what their relatives fought and died for - had some value...

in general terms.

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