A NASA scientist claims to be on the verge of faster-than-light travel: is he for real?
Warp Factor
A NASA scientist claims to be on the verge of faster-than-light travel: is he for real?
By Konstantin Kakaes Posted 04.01.2013 at 11:03 am
Last September, a few hundred scientists, engineers and space enthusiasts gathered at the Hyatt Hotel in downtown Houston for the second public meeting of 100 Year Starship. The group is run by former astronaut Mae Jemison and funded by DARPA. Its mission is to make the capability of human travel beyond our solar system to another star a reality within the next 100 years.
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Over the course of several days, attendees could join symposia on such exotic topics as organ regeneration and organized religion aboard a starship. One of the most anticipated presentations was titled Warp Field Mechanics 102, given by Harold Sonny White of NASA. A nine-year agency veteran, White runs the advanced propulsion program at Johnson Space Center (JSC), down the road from the Hyatt. Along with five others, he recently co-authored the agencys 16-year In-Space Propulsion Systems Roadmap, which outlines NASAs goals for the future of space travel. The plan calls for all manner of propulsion projects from improved chemical rockets to far-forward systems like antimatter and nuclear engines. Whites particular area of research is perhaps the most far-forward of them all: warp drive.
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White shows me into the facility and ushers me past its central feature, something he calls a quantum vacuum plasma thruster (QVPT). The device looks like a large red velvet doughnut with wires tightly wound around a core, and its one of two initiatives Eagleworks is pursuing, along with warp drive. Its also secret. When I ask about it, White tells me he cant disclose anything other than that the technology is further along than warp drive. A 2011 NASA report he wrote says it uses quantum fluctuations in empty space as a fuel source, so that a spaceship propelled by a QVPT would not require propellant.
Whites warp experiment is tucked into the back corner of the room. A helium-neon laser is bolted onto a small table pricked with a lattice of holes, along with a beam splitter and a black-and-white commercial CCD camera. This is a White-Juday warp field interferometer, which White named for himself and Richard Juday, a retired JSC employee who is helping White analyze the data from the CCD. Half of the laser light passes through a ringWhites test device. The other half does not. If the ring has no effect, White would expect one type of signal at the CCD. If it warps space, he says the interference pattern will be starkly different.
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Keith Cowing asked NASA about the article:
Clarifying NASA's Warp Drive Program
By Keith Cowing
Posted April 12, 2013 1:27 PM
Few people know this but NASA actually has a warp drive program underway at Johnson Space Center. A recent article on the program created some open-ended questions that needed to be answered. The article seemed to imply that Harold White (who heads the project) had signed non-disclosure agreements such that he could not discuss public-funded research. That's a little unusual for NASA. So I sent a series of questions to Harold White and NASA PAO.
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Did Harold White sign NDAs as an individual or as a NASA civil servant? Who did he sign these NDAs with?
White has not signed any NDAs. The article has it backwards. In order for the Popular Science author to get briefed on the referenced technology, he would need to sign an NDA with the government as the noted technology has an invention disclosure. An NDA is the mechanism to protect the IP content, but still allow access to interested parties for consideration.
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What scientific publications have White and his team made on advanced propulsion/warp drive research?
Talks and Publications on Space Warps to date:
- White, H., Warp Field Mechanics 101, Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, accepted 2013.
- Physics Colloquium on Warp Field Mechanics requested by Dickinson College, 2013.
- Encore of Warp Field Mechanics 102, technical presentation requested by SpaceVision 2012, Buffalo, NY 2012.
- Warp Field Mechanics 102, technical presentation given at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Houston, TX, 2012.
- Encore of Warp Field Mechanics 101, technical presentation requested by AIAA, Houston Chapter, Gilruth Center, Houston, TX, 2011.
- Warp Field Mechanics 101, technical presentation given at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Orlando, FL, 2011, available at: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936_2011016932.pdf
- Successful defense of published paper "A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering" as part of Ph.D. candidacy process in Physics at Rice University 2007.
- White, H., E. W. Davis, The Alcubierre Warp Drive in Higher Dimensional Spacetime, in the proceedings of Space Technology and Applications International Forum (STAIF 2006), American Institute of Physics Conference Proceedings, Melville, New York, 2006.
- White, H., A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering, General Relativity and Gravitation Journal, November 2003."
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)Ad astra per aspera!
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)I hope they make it possible.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...that's the paper listed in the Keith Cowling excerpt
- Warp Field Mechanics 101, technical presentation given at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Orlando, FL, 2011, available at: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936_2011016932.pdf
Clicking on the URL results in:
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Let the speculations and conspiracy theories begin!!
I did find this article Harold White Warp Field Mechanics Update which has some digested information, possibly from the tech report. The page also has the same link to the tech report...taking you to the same apology.
bananas
(27,509 posts)I'm sure they've already downloaded everything from it.
NASA appears to have blocked public access to a server containing thousands of technical documents amidst charges by one US lawmaker over lapses of security involving a Chinese national who was hired as a contractor and was arrested while attempting to return to China.
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DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)Download it before it's gone!
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)Wonder if NASA is going to find all the copies of their technical docs that have been mirrored?
Thanks again, bananas.
bananas
(27,509 posts)The WhiteJuday warp-field interferometer is a testbed that has been proposed to demonstrate a microscopic instance of a warping of spacetime, possibly leading to the later development of an Alcubierre warp bubble if one can be created. A research group at the NASA Johnson Space Center is investigating this possibility.[1]
Contents
1 Theory of operation
2 Warp drive research and potential for interstellar propulsion
3 Media reaction
4 See also
5 References
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firenewt
(298 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Since the first skeptic said that about the Wright Brothers' flying machine, we've gone from the atomic age to cloning to space flight and, even unfortunately, to the point where we possess the power to destroy our own planet. Yesterday's dreams are today's realities. Tomorrow's realities will be born from today's dreams.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)In the form of an intelligence that configured physics into an airplane.
If there is a god, he gave us wings, electricity, running water, bloody marys and Mitch McConnell.
It all proceeds from god.
Though it often proceeds through the Devil's heavenly lobbyists before it trickles down to us.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)It applies here!
And the link still works!
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)So (1) somebody has invented something that the inventor claims will do something; (2) NASA has been willing to dump $50000 into testing the idea, whatever it is; and (3) the person testing the idea for NASA has recently gotten one paper through peer-review
The current average price of a new car in the US is around $30K, so NASA has given this program about enough money to buy about one and a half new cars
Translation: "The inventor is making a completely novel claim, and the scientific review panel thinks it would be worthwhile finding out whether or not there's anything at all to it, but we're not incredibly optimistic"
caraher
(6,278 posts)I read what was out there the last time this guy got some publicity. I was unimpressed by the experimental test they are doing, and the fact that they are more about building a mystique than doing science is revealed by their chutzpah in placing the grandiose label "White-Juday warp field interferometer" on what anyone with casual familiarity with optics would call a Michelson interferometer (with their gizmo stuck in one leg).
I've read plenty of really, really bad science in NASA publications. There's good science there, too; you just have to avoid being too credulous.