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After three kidnapped women escape, Cleveland is reeling.Connie Schultz (Original Post) elleng May 2013 OP
OK. So, three girls were missing in the area, and the Castro brothers waved a Cuban flag JDPriestly May 2013 #1
"Unreasonable search and seizure" "Right to free speech". SharonAnn May 2013 #2
They could have just asked around the neighborhood and they would have realized JDPriestly May 2013 #3

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
1. OK. So, three girls were missing in the area, and the Castro brothers waved a Cuban flag
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:26 AM
May 2013

from their front porch. Surely, that was not the only strange behavior they demonstrated.

Where was Homeland Security?

Seems really odd. They go to such lengths to x-ray every bag and even our bodies at airports. They supposedly collect all our electronic communications. How did they miss this one?

Why all the surveillance-state paraphernalia if you can't find three young women locked up in a house in Cleveland within just a few miles of where they went missing?

What are the people leading the surveillance state looking for? For people's off-beat thoughts or for crimes or for political dissidents?

Why does Homeland Security has such a big budget if it couldn't catch the Castro brothers?

SharonAnn

(13,779 posts)
2. "Unreasonable search and seizure" "Right to free speech".
Wed May 8, 2013, 03:50 PM
May 2013

Law enforcement cannot go house to house searching every room in every house "just because".

If they have some reason to think it's worth searching, they can get a search warrant. But they're not permitted (that pesky Constitution) to just search any house for no legitimate reason. And who's to say that if they'd started searching every house in Cleveland 10 years ago, that they'd be finished by today?

And, BTW, who's going to pay for the increased staffing requirements if we ever did permit this?

If there was an actual reason to check into this house and occupant and they didn't do that, that's a problem. That they didn't search every house in Cleveland, that's not a problem.

And remember, the Marathon bomber wasn't found by the police even though the city was in lock-down and actively searched. He was found by a resident when the lock-down was over.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. They could have just asked around the neighborhood and they would have realized
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:00 PM
May 2013

that something odd was going on in that house. Women walking on all fours in the backyard? That is a warning sign.

I'm quite familiar with the Fourth Amendment. But a search of that house would have been reasonable. They could have obtained a warrant.

My neighbor rented a room to a crazy woman. The woman started fights. My neighbor reported her to the police, and then she, in turn, reported my neighbor to the police.

The police came to houses in the neighborhood to get information about our take on what was going on. That is as it should be.

Three women captive in a house for ten years and the neighbors never noticed? I really have trouble believing that. The neighbors noticed but either did not say anything or were not heard when they reported what they saw.

I know what goes on in my neighbors' houses. They are my friends, and besides I walk my part of my precinct. So I know my neighbors. Everyone should get to know their neighbors. It isn't that hard. I don't care where you live. I live in a city.

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