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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 05:29 PM Jun 2013

Manning: Guilty of Aiding Democracy

"Because democracy is dependent on an informed electorate, political control in advanced societies like the United States has focused on selective dissemination of information and ideological spin. A whistleblower like Pvt. Bradley Manning disrupts that process, says Norman Solomon."


“This is a case about a soldier who systematically harvested hundreds of thousands of classified documents and dumped them onto the Internet, into the hands of the enemy – material he knew, based on his training, would put the lives of fellow soldiers at risk.”

If so, those fellow soldiers have all been notably lucky; the Pentagon has admitted that none died as a result of Manning’s leaks in 2010. But many of his fellow soldiers lost their limbs or their lives in U.S. warfare made possible by the kind of lies that the U.S. government is now prosecuting Bradley Manning for exposing.

In the real world, as Glenn Greenwald has pointed out, prosecution for leaks is extremely slanted. “Let’s apply the government’s theory in the Manning case to one of the most revered journalists in Washington: Bob Woodward, who has become one of America’s richest reporters, if not the richest, by obtaining and publishing classified information far more sensitive than anything WikiLeaks has ever published,” Greenwald wrote in January.

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/05/manning-guilty-of-aiding-democracy/

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struggle4progress

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3. Let's do some math. Manning arrived in Iraq in October 2009 and was arrested in May 2010,
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:08 PM
Jun 2013

and he took a two week leave to the US in January 2010: there remain about 32 weeks in Iraq. Sometime during that time, he downloaded and sent to Wikileaks about 750 000 documents

Suppose that 7 da/wk during that 32 week period, Manning spent 12 hrs/da doing nothing but selecting and downloading the 750 000 documents. He was then selecting and downloading 23K+ documents per week, or 3300+ documents per day, or 275+ documents per hour, or 4+ documents per minute. That is, he cannot have spent on average even 15 seconds per document: (1) to read the document, (2) decide it should be released, and (3) download it for delivery to Wikileaks

In fact, he cannot have spent nearly that much time per document. Since Wikileaks began its distribution of the State Department cables in mid-February 2010, so Manning's activities must have occurred between the beginning of October and mid-February; subtracting his leave, there remain about 18 weeks in Iraq. So actually Manning was selecting and downloading over 41K+ documents per week, or over 5900 documents per day, or about 500 documents per hour, or over 8 documents per minute. That is, he cannot have spent on average more than about 7 second per document to: (1) to read the document, (2) decide it should be released, and (3) download it for delivery to Wikileaks

This is not a picture of a thoughtful citizen deciding, after careful review of material, that his conscience demands he make the information widely available: we are dealing with a confused and naive ideologue who chose to dump data without discrimination

midnight

(26,624 posts)
4. I'm not sure that his telling the truth about what went down in killing innocent people or showing
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 09:31 PM
Jun 2013

how this happened took this much time...


You do have a good point though about how much time so many documents would take time you believe he didn't have invested... It would be great to know how this is explained in court... I wish this was not so secret...

I'm going to add this, because I think this is important... Especially since you think he could not of done all this work in the amount of time he had... Because that might help his defense in this following matter:

"All of this speaks to whether Pfc. Manning knew that declassifying those thousands of documents would specifically help Al Qaeda and associates, which is what the prosecution needs to prove in order to make the “aiding the enemy” charge stick. I give them only a one-in-three chance of success with this bit of Orwellian overreach. (Full transcripts of the day’s proceeding here.)"http://www.thenation.com/blog/174689/would-bradley-manning-be-better-civilian-court

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
5. There's no question he could have downloaded the documents in the time available,
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jun 2013

but the arithmetic shows he couldn't possibly have given many of them anything other than the quickest of glances, if that much

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
7. The critical question in Manning's court-martial may be: should a soldier, who transfers
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

large numbers of restricted documents to an organization that specializes in highly-publicized large-scale document dumping on the internet, and who has been warned that official enemies (such as al-Qaida or the Taliban) may comb the internet for information, be held accountable for the possibility that those official enemies might actually learn about the document dump and obtain usable information from the dumped documents?

His motives can't be discussed until the sentencing phase of the trial. At that point, he may want to argue he's a whistle-blower, but having spent no more than 15 seconds on average per document, that's an uphill climb, especially if the prosecution gets to cross-examine him on his motives for releasing any particular one of the 750K documents, since many are unlikely to indicate any behavior that is objectionable in any way


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