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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:36 AM Jul 2013

Colleen Kollar-Kotelly allowed NSA to collect all our Data warned that if the public found about it,

challenged it in a court, it could be considered unconstitutional.



"Perhaps this judge has been portrayed unfairly, as collaborating with the government. But more important, it seems to put a face-- THE face-- on the American who decided it was okay to spy on every other American.

Regardless of her raising of concerns, she went ahead and, with her unique power, as head of the secretive FISA Court, made an even more secret decision to approve the worse spying in the history of America. In spite of evidence of abuses, that the 2006 WaPo article reported, she went ahead and approved further, more egregious and aggressive spying. It looks like she never said no, when asked.

She should be called before congress and questioned. And she should be more worried about what she DID than what is said about her so far. There is no question that she did approve the horrific level of spying we now know the NSA engages in.

The question is, how did any protector of the citizens-- the duty of every elected and appointed government official, ever allow a single person to make such an important decision-- and who decided to keep it secret? Because they violated their oath and should be punished to the full extent of the law."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/FISA-Judge-Who-Approved-Ma-by-Rob-Kall-130630-473.html


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Colleen Kollar-Kotelly allowed NSA to collect all our Data warned that if the public found about it, (Original Post) midnight Jul 2013 OP
This is extremely important. northoftheborder Jul 2013 #1
But, but, but... we have "checks and balances!" It's all kosher! I have nothing to hide! villager Jul 2013 #2
Perhaps she is/was blackmailed. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jul 2013 #7
Tice says they do. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #9
This is not hard to believe but it is concerning for the security of this country..... midnight Jul 2013 #18
Why would the super-rich blackmail anyone when they can give them money? Or position? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #8
Cheaper. And longer lasting. KurtNYC Jul 2013 #10
Super-rich criminals often blackmail those who refuse to accept their bribes meow2u3 Jul 2013 #12
Often? Did you just make that up? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #13
K&R nt Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #4
This is a perfect time to bring the provisions, now being forgotten, of the Patriot Act colorado_ufo Jul 2013 #5
Some actually believe that the judicial system might save us. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #6
What a sobering thought. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #11
K&R JDPriestly Jul 2013 #14
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #15
So, she approved a warrant she thoight would be later ruled unconstitutional? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #16
k and r nashville_brook Jul 2013 #17
Have you ever thought Dan Jul 2013 #19
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. But, but, but... we have "checks and balances!" It's all kosher! I have nothing to hide!
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jul 2013

It's fantastic when someone other than Bush does it, etc.!

Response to KurtNYC (Reply #3)

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
9. Tice says they do.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jul 2013

According to Tice the surveillance was just step one of being able to blackmail whoever you need to blackmail. We have seen the government use blackmail elsewhere -- Abu Gharib was about creating materials (photographs, dirty secrets) that could be used to blackmail and control Iraqis after they were returned to the populace.

Apparently blackmail works pretty well.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
8. Why would the super-rich blackmail anyone when they can give them money? Or position?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jul 2013

Those who rub shoulders with the international super-rich don't have to be blackmailed.

meow2u3

(24,774 posts)
12. Super-rich criminals often blackmail those who refuse to accept their bribes
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jul 2013

Their targets are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Either they take the hush money or pay the price with their careers and/or reputations.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
13. Often? Did you just make that up?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jul 2013

How long did it take?

And who says that anyone has ever refused to accept their money, or their positions of power?

colorado_ufo

(5,738 posts)
5. This is a perfect time to bring the provisions, now being forgotten, of the Patriot Act
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

again to the public's attention. When I first read what was included in the Patriot Act, I was shocked. The provision that most moved me was that, at any time, the government could demand a list of all the library books that any individual had ever checked out, and the library was obligated to give it to them. Any library or librarian refusing to do so could be prosecuted under the terms of the Patriot Act. They do not have to burn books. Why burn them, when they can be used as a handy source of evidence against someone?

They know everything now, including what you download on your Kindle or Nook or iPad or whatever. They probably laugh at any attempt at encryption. So many bytes of data that they need to introduce new mathematical terms to describe them.

The wonder of it all is that, looking out any window, life goes on as usual. To see the cars pass, the beauty shops giving perms, diners pouring coffee, and children having birthday parties at a pizza place, no one would imagine that this, this egregious violation of rights and privacy, was taking place in the background, 24 hours day day, for over a decade.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
6. Some actually believe that the judicial system might save us.
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jul 2013

The era of the Warren Court is over. In fact, Earl Warren died in 1974.

Bill I-think-NAFTA-is-a-good-idea Clinton appointed Colleen Kollar-Kotelly.

Most of the federal judges have been appointed by Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama.

If the judicial system hasn't saved us by now, it's not going to.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. So, she approved a warrant she thoight would be later ruled unconstitutional?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013

Wow. It sounds like she should be removed from the bench ASAP. At the least, she is imcompetent. At worst, she is corrupt.

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