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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 08:54 AM Aug 2013

Your Ancestors Didn’t Sleep Like You

The existence of our sleeping twice per night was first uncovered by Roger Ekirch, professor of History at Virginia Tech.

His research found that we didn’t always sleep in one eight hour chunk. We used to sleep in two shorter periods, over a longer range of night. This range was about 12 hours long, and began with a sleep of three to four hours, wakefulness of two to three hours, then sleep again until morning.

References are scattered throughout literature, court documents, personal papers, and the ephemera of the past. What is surprising is not that people slept in two sessions, but that the concept was so incredibly common. Two-piece sleeping was the standard, accepted way to sleep.

“It’s not just the number of references – it is the way they refer to it, as if it was common knowledge,” Ekirch says.

http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/

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Your Ancestors Didn’t Sleep Like You (Original Post) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 OP
That is how I sleep now and Soundman Aug 2013 #1
Me too! I do this about half of the time....in my case I snappyturtle Aug 2013 #5
Same here, Soundman Aug 2013 #13
Yep. I have friends that do this too. nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #14
I do this all the time now. 4dsc Aug 2013 #31
Me, too. And I also thought it was abnormal, so good to hear I'm NOT an outlier. 66 dmhlt Aug 2013 #15
I was off work for three years with knee problems and finally had a total knee replacement. brewens Aug 2013 #28
i like my long, uninterrupted sleep. xchrom Aug 2013 #2
That's very interesting! I'm retired now, so when I wake up in the middle of the night, Nay Aug 2013 #3
In grad school, I developed a habit of sleeping from 3am to 6am, then..... lastlib Aug 2013 #17
It might have something to do with age groups, but I think a lot of people still sleep that way notadmblnd Aug 2013 #4
I do it a lot d_r Aug 2013 #6
I think as we age that is pretty much our sleep patterns. I sleep when I'm tired, making no monmouth3 Aug 2013 #7
The quest for higher productivity gave us one short rest period Skink Aug 2013 #8
Not even 6 hours in a LOT of cases Populist_Prole Aug 2013 #37
Sleep SamKnause Aug 2013 #9
They didn't sleep in a computer chair with a cat on their lap? progressoid Aug 2013 #10
Putting a cat on my lap would help me to sleep anywhere! Rebellious Republican Aug 2013 #12
I just accept that as the way it is. I don't worry about it. CTyankee Aug 2013 #11
This is great, but if you have young children, they get up at the crack of dawn. morningglory Aug 2013 #16
sounds like me :-) mettamega Aug 2013 #18
it would seem to me, that before widespread artificial light, people went to sleep when it got dark KG Aug 2013 #19
Good point. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #20
That's interesting. I got in the habit of doing that for over a year.. Triana Aug 2013 #21
I've been wondering how this meshes with the siesta tradition. snot Aug 2013 #22
It's how I sleep. cliffordu Aug 2013 #23
Wonder if they are referring to the need to take a break in the late afternoon from the heat and jwirr Aug 2013 #24
I think there was a teevee show that recounted the "second sleep" idea. gvstn Aug 2013 #25
I read a study on "traditional communal society's" sleep habits a while back bhikkhu Aug 2013 #26
and I always thought this was a problem Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #27
You mean missing the last 15 minutes of CSI dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #29
I'm amazed to find that even our ancestors ThoughtCriminal Aug 2013 #30
Duzy! missingthebigdog Aug 2013 #35
I had a job in Alaska where we did this since we had so much daylight time yurbud Aug 2013 #32
Phew! This is chervilant Aug 2013 #33
I sort of unintentionally sleep this way now. RedSpartan Aug 2013 #34
Having read the thread it seems many sleep exactly that way now Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #36

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
5. Me too! I do this about half of the time....in my case I
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:11 AM
Aug 2013

thought it was because I was getting older. Ha!

 

Soundman

(297 posts)
13. Same here,
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:47 AM
Aug 2013

I saw a documentary about sleep patterns once. it was said that as we age we sleep less but need it more as our bodies are slower to heal and regenerate. Seems my normal night lately is sleep for 4 or so, up for 2 and sleep for another 3 or 4.

brewens

(13,596 posts)
28. I was off work for three years with knee problems and finally had a total knee replacement.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:00 PM
Aug 2013

Once through initial physical therapy, I hit the gym. That got me in a pattern of getting up early, light breakfast, workout and back home for more food. Then I'd take my morning nap! Sometime around ten or 11 I was up for good. Eventually I did such a good job on the knee that they made me get a job again.

I still do that every day I can. On a weekend, it's maybe five hours of sleep, up with the chickens and then back for an after breakfast nap.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. i like my long, uninterrupted sleep.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:03 AM
Aug 2013

it's how i keep my lovely, glowing, rosy complexion.

***some have mistaken that look for something booze induced.
i don't know why that would be.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
3. That's very interesting! I'm retired now, so when I wake up in the middle of the night,
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:07 AM
Aug 2013

maybe I should get up and work on my novel!

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
17. In grad school, I developed a habit of sleeping from 3am to 6am, then.....
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:15 AM
Aug 2013

studying until 3pm, sleeping again from 3pm to 7pm, then studying til 3am. It was amazing to me how productive I was on that cycle. I've never been so productive since getting onto a cycle of sleeping in one block in a 24-hr period.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
4. It might have something to do with age groups, but I think a lot of people still sleep that way
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:09 AM
Aug 2013

But I just call it getting up to pee and not being able to go back to sleep again.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
6. I do it a lot
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:16 AM
Aug 2013

but I question whether this historical pattern was a good thing. A lot of people who wake up during the night do so because they are not getting enough oxygen and their body starts releasing adrenalin to get oxygen and this wakes them up. Over time that plays hell with your body.

monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
7. I think as we age that is pretty much our sleep patterns. I sleep when I'm tired, making no
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:18 AM
Aug 2013

matter as to the time of day/night. Of course I'm now retired, makes things a lot easier.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
37. Not even 6 hours in a LOT of cases
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 02:43 PM
Aug 2013

Over the course of my adult life I'm dismayed by how many people I've run into that regard "burning the candle at both ends" as a normal way of living, not just something done in extenuating circumstances. On top of that, you have the the fact that workaholic-ism has infected the business media's worldview and has nearly successfully painted anyone who makes a point of getting a good night's rest as lazy and unambitious.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
12. Putting a cat on my lap would help me to sleep anywhere!
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013

They are like a sedative without the bad side effects. Loves my kitty!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. I just accept that as the way it is. I don't worry about it.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:43 AM
Aug 2013

I sleep 4 to 5 hours, then I'm up for 2 hours, then asleep again for 3 hours. I guess that's all I need. I don't feel bad in the morning on that schedule. So why worry?

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
16. This is great, but if you have young children, they get up at the crack of dawn.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:12 AM
Aug 2013

Adult caregivers have to be alert and preparing breakfast at the crack of dawn. This bi-modal sleep pattern is great for retirees, but not compatible with work in the modern world.

KG

(28,751 posts)
19. it would seem to me, that before widespread artificial light, people went to sleep when it got dark
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:38 AM
Aug 2013

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
20. Good point.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:41 AM
Aug 2013

And going to bed earlier as the nights drew in may well have contributed to them waking up in the middle of the night.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
21. That's interesting. I got in the habit of doing that for over a year..
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:47 AM
Aug 2013

...thought it pretty strange but it was the routine I got into. Like someone else here, I figured it was about getting older but maybe not!

snot

(10,530 posts)
22. I've been wondering how this meshes with the siesta tradition.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:51 AM
Aug 2013

Seems like the siesta could be a variation on the same pattern.

Seems tome that 2 breaks for sleep might also be helpful in giving us more opportunities to process our experiences and de-stress.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. Wonder if they are referring to the need to take a break in the late afternoon from the heat and
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:18 AM
Aug 2013

then waking to work some more when it cools?

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
25. I think there was a teevee show that recounted the "second sleep" idea.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:42 AM
Aug 2013

I don't remember where I saw it but I found it interesting and love the term "second sleep".

Here is a BBC article similar to the OP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
26. I read a study on "traditional communal society's" sleep habits a while back
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:56 AM
Aug 2013

that would agree. It may have been the Yamanomi but I don't recall exactly. Anyway, they found that there was no regular patterns of sleep. There was always kids and noise and work going on, so naps were the rule whenever and wherever some peace could be found.

The thrust of the article was that this was more like how humanity might have been for most of our history, where interrupted sleep was the norm and there was no "8 hour sleep" period for anybody. Stuff was always going on, lots of people in close company doing various things, plenty of shared child-care, plenty of work and plenty of play at all times, and the night was the most dangerous time to be out cold anyway, so people just took advantage of whatever sleep they could find whenever they were in need. Typical sleep times were 2-4 hours at a time, though cumulatively about 8-9 hours in a 24 hour period.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
30. I'm amazed to find that even our ancestors
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:41 PM
Aug 2013

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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
32. I had a job in Alaska where we did this since we had so much daylight time
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:07 PM
Aug 2013

We worked in two six hour chunks divided by a long nap.

I think the Navy does something like this on ships: 6 hours on the job, 6 off. that sounds less stressful than one 12 workday.

RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
34. I sort of unintentionally sleep this way now.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:30 PM
Aug 2013

Since my five year old daughter has type 1 diabetes and I am up every three hours or so to check her blood sugar. (She doesn't wake up, though. Sleeps like a rock.) So I basically sleep in two three hour blocks with some awake time in between.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. Having read the thread it seems many sleep exactly that way now
Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:06 AM
Aug 2013

I always take issue with the tabloid style headlines that address the reader as if they know the reader. Apparently our ancestors did sleep like us. Or that is, people sleep in various patterns and always have. Ben Franklin changed beds in the night, he kept three. Edison they say only napped and never 'slept a night'.

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