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polly7

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Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:42 AM Sep 2013

Winston Churchill's Shocking Use Of Chemical Weapons

By The Guardian

Source: The Guardian

Friday, September 06, 2013

Secrecy was paramount. Britain's imperial general staff knew there would be outrage if it became known that the government was intending to use its secret stockpile of chemical weapons. But Winston Churchill, then secretary of state for war, brushed aside their concerns. As a long-term advocate of chemical warfare, he was determined to use them against the Russian Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1919, 94 years before the devastating strike in Syria, Churchill planned and executed a sustained chemical attack on northern Russia.

The British were no strangers to the use of chemical weapons. During the third battle of Gaza in 1917, General Edmund Allenby had fired 10,000 cans of asphyxiating gas at enemy positions, to limited effect. But in the final months of the first world war, scientists at the governmental laboratories at Porton in Wiltshire developed a far more devastating weapon: the top secret "M Device", an exploding shell containing a highly toxic gas called diphenylaminechloroarsine. The man in charge of developing it, Major General Charles Foulkes, called it "the most effective chemical weapon ever devised".

Trials at Porton suggested that it was indeed a terrible new weapon. Uncontrollable vomiting, coughing up blood and instant, crippling fatigue were the most common reactions. The overall head of chemical warfare production, Sir Keith Price, was convinced its use would lead to the rapid collapse of the Bolshevik regime. "If you got home only once with the gas you would find no more Bolshies this side of Vologda."The cabinet was hostile to the use of such weapons, much to Churchill's irritation. He also wanted to use M Devices against the rebellious tribes of northern India. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he declared in one secret memorandum. He criticised his colleagues for their "squeamishness", declaring that "the objections of the India Office to the use of gas against natives are unreasonable. Gas is a more merciful weapon than [the] high explosive shell, and compels an enemy to accept a decision with less loss of life than any other agency of war."

He ended his memo on a note of ill-placed black humour: "Why is it not fair for a British artilleryman to fire a shell which makes the said native sneeze?" he asked. "It is really too silly."


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Winston Churchill's Shocking Use Of Chemical Weapons (Original Post) polly7 Sep 2013 OP
That's why the 1925 Geneva Protocol banned chemical weapons frazzled Sep 2013 #1
Yeah .... I think we all know that. polly7 Sep 2013 #2
Nothing wrong with it, but I think it's always best frazzled Sep 2013 #3
This is good reads. I occasionally post something that I consider polly7 Sep 2013 #4

frazzled

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1. That's why the 1925 Geneva Protocol banned chemical weapons
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
Sep 2013

in warfare. D'oh. That's why we signed it, and Britain signed it, and most other countries did. It was to renounce what was the widespread use of chemical weapons during World War I.

We knew this.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
2. Yeah .... I think we all know that.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:02 AM
Sep 2013

Is there something wrong with posting articles of interest? Let me know ...... I'll delete it.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. Nothing wrong with it, but I think it's always best
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:15 AM
Sep 2013

to state your reasons for posting something. The motivations behind doing so. In other words, posting something about a historical incident without explaining what your point is for doing so, leaves the post open to many, possibly wrong, interpretations.

So, for instance, was the lesson to be drawn from your post about Churchill to say that we should have taken action against Britain in 1917? Or that we ignored it then so why not now? What exactly WAS the point? Because knowing that the world's consensus about gas and other chemical weapons was the result of the horrors of WWI is exactly why we are arguing this today. We're not readjudicating what happened 100 years ago. (Though we do seem to be adjudicating Iraq rather than Syria.)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
4. This is good reads. I occasionally post something that I consider
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:16 AM
Sep 2013

a good read that others may also be interested in.

If you need any more explanation than that, you're obviously got some sort of chip on your shoulder I can't help you with.

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