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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:41 AM Oct 2013

Assange Biopic Ignores Sexual-Assault Allegations

Filmmakers have given us a redacted history of Julian Assange—exactly the kind that WikiLeaks set out to dismantle
By Jessica Winter
Oct. 18, 2013

... Since late 2010, the formerly globetrotting Assange has been stuck in the U.K. fighting an arrest and extradition warrant to Sweden to answer allegations of sexual assault against two former WikiLeaks supporters, both of whom have provided depositions. Assange denies any wrongdoing and claims that the Swedish warrant is a conspiratorial gambit to extradite him to the U.S. This warrant is why Assange has been holed up for the past year and a half in London in the Ecuadorean embassy, where he has political asylum. It’s what has transformed a plausibly dashing international man of mystery into the waxen satellite link he is today.

But you would never know this from The Fifth Estate ...

Precisely because The Fifth Estate is not a hagiography — its takeaway is of a difficult, deeply flawed and damaged person who did good things and may continue to — it’s bizarre that the movie scrubs out the legal case that’s cast a shadow over him nearly as long as the world has known his name. In October 2010, Assange fled an interview with CNN’s Atika Shubert because she wanted to ask a perfectly reasonable question about how the sexual-assault allegations were affecting the work of WikiLeaks. “I will have to walk,” he said moments before removing his mike, “if you’re going to contaminate this extremely serious interview with questions about my personal life.” The Fifth Estate obliges Assange on this point, but the result is a film that’s not merely clean but sterile, sanitized, redacted — exactly the kind of history-making that WikiLeaks set out to dismantle.


http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/18/assange-biopic-ignores-sexual-assault-charges/

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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
3. It's even harder to have a protagonist who's just a schmuck
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:59 AM
Oct 2013

They might have made a gripping psychological study, with a complex main character, torn by his own contradictions, striving to be an avenging superhero while (say) simultaneously feeding his own needs for power and control -- except, of course, for the unfortunate fact that American movie-makers don't usually do psychologically complex stories, because it makes their money-men nervous

But without psychological complexity, the options for including the sexual assault allegations were limited: Assange as a film noire macho anti-hero, Assange as the dashing Captain Australia falling into the evil machinations of his Moriarity-like nemesis, or Assange as a loud bright geek revealed (after fifteen minutes of fame) as a real schmuck

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. What Assange is accused of doing by the women who admitted to having had consensual
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:00 AM
Oct 2013

sex with him would not be considered rape in the US. It is simply too hard to prove.

You might be able to prove that you had sex without protection, but you could never prove that you did not consent to it. Not unless you taped your encounter, and that does not appear to have been the case here.

It would boil down to "He said; she said." And there could be different opinions, very honest different memories about that. The women's case is pretty hopeless in my opinion.

Apparently under Swedish law if Assange appeared for arraignment, he could be placed in custody and asked questions about any topic pretty much under the sun. That is not how it is in the US, but from my reading on Swedish criminal procedure, that is how it is in Sweden. If the law in Sweden has changed, or if someone has a cite that contradicts me, I will be happy to admit that I am wrong. But that is what I read about Swedish procedure. That is, in my view, probably why Assange does not want to go to Sweden to answer the claims against him. The criminal procedures in Sweden would give the US lots of opportunities to question him and to perhaps extradite him regardless of the agreements or absence of agreements between our government and Sweden.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
8. Assange's current story is: (1) he's not concerned about the Swedish charges and (2) he won't leave
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 02:55 PM
Oct 2013

the embassy even if the Swedish prosecution were dropped

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. Assange may have been advised by a lawyer not to discuss the claims against him with the press.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:54 AM
Oct 2013

That would not surprise me. Can't blame him for that. It's simply wisdom.

Whether you are innocent or guilty of some legal claim against you, you shouldn't really discuss it in public prior to a trial.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
6. My sister and I are seeing it tomorrow mainly for Benedict Cumberbatch
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:00 AM
Oct 2013

Reading on Rotten Tomatoes, it appears to have been blasted by most critics. Then again they work for various news outlets in the main. But there's too much to ignore. And then there's Cumberbatch. I loved his work as Khan and Sherlock. This is just one more man out of sync and possibly with Aspergers.

In Assange' own words:

"I was beginning to get the hacker's disease: no sleep, bottomless curiosity, single-mindedness, and an obsession with precision. Later, when I became well known, people would enjoy pointing out that I had Asperger's or else that I was dangling somewhere on the autistic spectrum. I don't want to spoil anyone's fun, so let's just say I am – all hackers are, and I would argue all men are a little bit autistic."

I take that last sentence to mean he is offering up an excuse or reason for mistreating women sexually. "all men are a little bit autistic"???? Really.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. Assange's quote was in the context of
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:40 PM
Oct 2013

"bottomless curiosity, single-mindedness, and an obsession with precision." Those traits can be considered consistent with autism-spectrum disorders.

I think it's a stretch to apply his words as an excuse for "mistreating women sexually."

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
10. I was projecting the way the writer might want to elude to the charge, without actually showing it.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 04:18 AM
Oct 2013

I can't stop looking for subtext in well written pieces.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
11. Cumberbatch was more than great. He brought such passion and the sense of being a lion caged.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 04:22 AM
Oct 2013

And that is long before he wound up trapped in a building behind Harrods in London. The movie depicts him traveling the world almost daily. Popping up everywhere.

Sad to see such a small audience in attendance. It's an excellent telling of wikileaks and Assange comes off better than I imagined.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
12. Interesting
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 07:33 AM
Oct 2013

I would think to focus on all the other stuff leaving out the sexual assault charges made sense. The story (from what little I know about it) is about his involvement with WikiLeaks.

Whether or not he did what he's charged with his an entirely different drama in itself.

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