Inside The Meeting Where Obama And Reid Vowed Not To Be 'Taken In By These Crazy People'
Inside The Meeting Where Obama And Reid Vowed Not To Be 'Taken In By These Crazy People'
WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama and Harry Reid needed to clear the air. The relationship between the president and the Senate majority leader had been deteriorating since 2011, with Reid losing respect for Obama's ability to negotiate with Republicans and Obama unsure if Reid had as much control over his Senate Democratic caucus as he liked to say.
So at the White House's invitation, the two met in the Oval Office on July 9, with no staff, to talk one on one. It was a cathartic moment, one in which long-buried tensions were fully aired. Aides to the two men tell a similar story: Their boss had been losing confidence in his counterpart and wanted the meeting as a way to buck up the other.
Reid (D-Nev.) pressed the president hard on the 2011 debt ceiling compromise that the White House had cut with the GOP, which ultimately gave the country sequestration. He complained that Vice President Joe Biden had undercut fiscal cliff negotiations at the end of 2012, when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) was offered a more generous deal on tax revenue and sequester spending than Reid felt he could have crafted.
It didn't escape his notice, Reid said, that the deal Biden made conveniently postponed the budget cuts two months, or just long enough to allow the Inauguration and the State of the Union address to pass without the sequester's shadow. Senate Democrats had been pushing for a two-year delay and had been prepared to settle for just one.
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Full LONG article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/obama-reid_n_4136996.html
longship
(40,416 posts)Indeed, a good Reid... er, eh read.
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iemitsu
(3,888 posts)a fascinating article none-the-less.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)yes indeed
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I kept reading and thinking this can't be real...WTF? We're in deep trouble if this is the level our government is performing at. Where's the communication? Did I miss something?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Government just can't go on like this. Just as we did finally away with Prohibition of alcohol, and Repeal turned out to be a net positive, we need to overturn the 1917 Debt Limit Law.
We can't continue to have shutdowns and threats of Default by one side that refuses to accept that they are in the Minority.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)However, the pragmatist in me can empathize with both men. Even with all the attendant pain involved, it's the slightest bit possible that unless the GOP had been given enough rope to hang themselves, we'd be stuck with a stronger opposition. In hindsight at least now the Repukes appear to have sealed their doom. Now it will be increasingly possible to thwart them with an indignant public more on our side.
Make of that what you will. I can't see POTUS as a bumbler or stumbler. Able to make mistakes and learn more from them than hardly anyone else, but nobody's perfect. He's simply the best. A closer Obama-Reid alliance in the future bodes well for us. What ends well.....
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Uh, no. The country wanted you to steamroll the Republicans. that was the message of the 2008 elections. They were as popular as jock itch in 2009. And for some reason you decided it would be good to make pals with them.
Un. Be. Lievable.
musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)The truth .....
RC
(25,592 posts)Only voted for him the second time because he was really the only choice. What a disappointment Obama has been.
Same here. I had higher hopes, I knew the guy was not a liberal, but he was as close as we got.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I am amazed that someone with POTUS' intellect didn't see the writing on the wall. Sigh.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He is only now catching on.
I have hypothesized that his grandmother was possibly a Reagan Republican. Obama got some strange ideas about Republicans from somewhere. Maybe it was his private school and then the elite colleges and law school he attended. He just had mistaken expectations from the beginning.
merrily
(45,251 posts)As I'm sure you know, he said, not all that long ago, that his policies are those of a moderate Republican of the 1980s. And, when running for President, he named Reagan as one of the 10 best Presidents ever. That was after 2 years as U.S. Senator and about 12 years as Illiniois state Senator, so he was not new to partisan politics.
I read an article about when he was Editor of the Harvard Law Review, how much deference he gave to conservative authors. The people who had elected him editor were angry with him.
Wait--I'll see if I can find it.
Okay, I am not sure which article I read years ago. I don't think it was either of these, but these do mention the issue.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/obama/harvard.html
http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/bulletin/2012/fall/feature_2.php
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)like I said, I voted for him enthusiastically in 2008, by default in 2012. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and call him naive. More likely he's just another tool of the owning class. He has not accomplished a single progressive initiative in 5 years. That can't be entirely due to incompetence.
JackHughes
(166 posts)This just shows what Democrats can accomplish when they act like an actual political party.
rivegauche
(601 posts)This is the same old fart who called the President a "Negro" a couple years back. Along with some other incredibly condescending bullshit that i can't recall at the moment. He needs to be put out to pasture.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)reid does not have a good track record when it comes to people of color. just ask some traditional american indians in nevada.
merrily
(45,251 posts)So, that's a mixed bag. And Obama did defend him when the story came out, saying "He was trying to help me."
mikekohr
(2,312 posts)from Iron Nancy Pelosi's House went to die. Majority Leader Reid should have reigned in abuse of the fillibuster. The failure to recognise how crazy the Republican Party has become has been a hard thing to fathom for many.
In our Township, a Tea Party loose cannon got elected Road Commissioner. The Township Board of Trustees (I was the Clerk) at first attempted to co-operate with him. The more he got the more demanding he became. It was a long four years of putting out fires, swearing tirades, threats, legal threats, and near fisticuffs, but in the end he was defeated in his re-election bid. And that's what needs to happen. The People have to turn these idiots out of office.
Majority Leader Reid and President Obama are dealing with a faction that has seldom been seen in American politics but as President Obama said, "We are the people we have been waiting for." He and Harry Reid need us to close the deal in 2014.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)We really haven't seen this kind of crazy in American politics in a long time and, with the addition of hate radio and fox, it's possibly worse than ever before.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)old school. president obama holds a strong respect for all people and the art of compromise in government. he made a huge mistake thinking he was dealing with reasonable, mature adults who believed in compromise as a way of governing and acted as he does - they are elected leaders, after all. he held an ideal that elected officials in congress are the cream of intellect and civility. then he came to washington and learned that even in the country's most honored halls there are putrid, rotten apples.