Scientists Say 'No Consensus on GMO Food Safety'
Scientists Say No Consensus on GMO Food Safety
Kaye Spector |October 21, 2013
An international group of more than 90 scientists, academics and physicians released a statement today saying there is no scientific consensus on the safety of genetically modified (GM) foods and crops.
The statement was issued in response to recent claims from the GM industry and some scientists, journalists and commentators that there is a scientific consensus that genetically modified organisms (GMO) were generally found safe for human and animal consumption. The statement calls these claims misleading and says, This claimed consensus on GMO safety does not exist.
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Sigers of the statement include prominent and respected scientists, including Dr. Hans Herren, a former winner of the World Food Prize and this years Alternative Nobel Prize laureate, and Dr. Pushpa Bhargava, known as the father of modern biotechnology in India.
Signers of the statement are calling for the compliance to the precautionary approach to GM crops and foods internationally agreed upon in the Cartagena Protocol on Biosafety and UNs Codex Alimentarius.
ENSSER released the statement the week after the World Food Prize was awarded to two executives of the GM seed giants Monsanto and Syngenta, provoking outrage worldwide.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)I really hope more research is done on this. I admit to eating them, hard to afford to buy all food GM free. People do deserve as much research as possible when changes are made to the food supply, IMO.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Basically everything sold in the US that contains corn, soy or canola is GM. There are signs of a pullback from GM corn by farmers recently as GM yields are not as high as they need to be to pay the extra costs for the seeds and sprays. There is an increase in the use of no-till farming for corn but I am not sure that that means they plant non-GM seed, only that they leave the roots of cover crops in the soil and apply little to no herbicide. I think many farmers' choices are driven mainly by: cost, yield and sticking to what they have expertise in. So no-till is new to many of them but anecdotally some are driven by the lower cost and less labor toward no-till.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)after (if I remember correctly) 4 months. And it is cumulative. GM crops manufacture their own pesticides and/or herbicides, all of which poison people, water, soil, critters....but it's less work for the farmers since they don't have to spray their crops with topical poisons.
It's taking mother nature and turning her into a Medusa.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)No such studies exist. None.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)No need to look further.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You push baseless fear for no good reason. You are no different than the climate change deniers.
PS: The Scientific Debate About GM Foods Is Over: They're Safe
http://www.psmag.com/health/scientific-debate-gm-foods-theyre-safe-66711/
loudsue
(14,087 posts)We're tired of your kind here.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And here I thought those folks were all in the Bush administration. Hmmmmmm.
When Journalists Say Really Stupid Stuff About GMOs
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/06/03/when-journalists-say-really-stupid-stuff-about-gmos/
loudsue
(14,087 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Preconceptions have a way of doing that.
Massive Review Reveals Consensus on GMO Safety
http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/10/massive-review-reveals-consensus-on-gmo-safety.html
Climate Change is horrible. Anti-vaccine nonsense is despicable. Anti-GMO propaganda is no different than those.
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)HuckleB: Michael Pollan as GMO denialist dupes credulous New York Times
FYI.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Why were you responding to posts after months, in the first place.
That forum is about science. You don't care about science. End of discussion.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)(actually, the article says the chemicals were found in the blood of pregnant women and in their umbilical cords._Bill USA)
- (emphases my own_Bill USA)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1388888/GM-food-toxins-blood-93-unborn-babies.html
Toxins implanted into GM food crops to kill pests are reaching the bloodstreams of women and unborn babies, alarming research has revealed.
A landmark study found 93 per cent of blood samples taken from pregnant women and 80 per cent from umbilical cords tested positive for traces of the chemicals.
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Most of the global research which has been used to demonstrate the safety of GM crops has been funded by the industry itself.
The new study was carried out by independent doctors at the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the University of Sherbrooke Hospital Centre in Quebec, Canada.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1388888/GM-food-toxins-blood-93-unborn-babies.html#ixzz2qar4HsE7
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... now, this is just one study. you need more than one study to draw conclusions but I think it's enough to warrant further investigation.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)I can only presume that you're talking about Bt toxin, which is the "GM toxin" of choice for pest protection. Are you also aware that Bt has absolutely ZERO non-target toxicity, i.e. it is safe and certified for organic crops? In other words, it's only a "toxin" if you're a pest insect. It also occurs widely in nature-- it's produced naturally by Bacillus species living in soil.
Yup, I just checked your citation, and it does indeed refer to Bt. If you eat 100% organic produce, you'll still be eating Bt toxin. But the good news is that its actual non-toxicity in vertebrates is EXTREMELY well established. The newspaper report you linked is just more fearmongering rubbish by some journalist who made exactly the same mistake you made-- forgetting that something is only a "toxin" if it's toxic to the consumer. Bt is not toxic to vertebrates. Not even a little bit.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminomethylphosphonic_acid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate
[font color="purple"]Glyphosate[/font] has a United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Toxicity Class of III (on a I to IV scale, where IV is least dangerous) for oral and inhalation exposure.[19] Thus, as with other herbicides, the EPA requires that products containing glyphosate carry a label that warns against oral intake, mandates the use of protective clothing, and instructs users not to re-enter treated fields for at least 4 hours.[19][47] Glyphosate does not bioaccumulate in animals; it is excreted in urine and faeces.[19] It breaks down variably quickly depending on the particular environment. Health, environmental and food chain effects from alteration of gut flora by wide use of glyphosate are largely unexplored.[48][49][50]
It does say Glyphosate does not "bioaccumulate in animals".. but it also says that "Health, environmental and food chain effects from alteration of gut flora by wide use of glyphosate are largely unexplored". That is what concerns me - It seems to me there has been not very much investigation of long term effects of eating GMOs.
I didn't look up 3-methylphosphinicopropionic acid.
I would think a more informative approach you might have taken would have been to refer to studies investigating the long term effects of ingesting GMOs.
Does eating GMOs make one a bit too prone to being snarky?... I wonder?
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Glyphosate, a herbicide sold by Monsanto as Roundup, is NOT engineered into crop plants. It is applied during cultivation (which is why the authors referred to it as "GMO associated" . What is engineered is glyphosate resistance so that herbicide can be applied for weed control without killing the crop. Serum glyphosate is the result of improper rinsing and other forms of simple mechanical contamination, not genetic engineering.
The Cry1ab protein is Bt, as you noted, and it IS engineered for expression in transgenic crops. However, as noted earlier, it is entirely nontoxic except to target organisms. It is safe and certified for organic produce.
While glyphosate exposure is not a good thing at all, it's important to note that you will NEVER accumulate glyphosate or its metabolites from transgenic crops themselves, because there aren't any that express the stuff. If they did, they'd die. The problem is bad weed management methods and post-harvest hygene, not GMOs.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)I am open to look at any evidence but I have done biodynamic farming and have a fair understanding of the ecology of farming. Pine trees lay down a thick mulch of their own needles, raise the acid levels and then very little can grow beneath them. I would not say that pine trees manufacture herbicide but they have the same effect.
A true herbicide, aka defoliant, kills pretty much all vegetation that it touches if the dose is high enough.
Similarly, many plants have pest repellant characteristics. Native Americans grew squash for thousands of years because it stands up so well to pests and it crowds out competing plants (much as the pine trees do). The vines are covered with small needle like structures and the squash itself has a thick skin that can endure bites from rodents and other creatures. But I wouldn't say that a squash is producing it's own pesticide.
I recently looked at a farm for sale here. It had been an orchard which supplied Gerber in the 1960s. The soil tested positive for arsenic. No surprise there -- arsenic was used heavily in orchards for almost 100 years, still is. It concentrates in the top layers of the soil and won't wash out so this farm was not going to be good for me to grow vegetables on. Not because the vegetable would take up the arsenic (most don't), but because it would be dangerous for ME to till that soil, have it on my skin, clothes and my dogs day after day. My point here is that there is a lot to know about farming and ecology and farmers study this stuff like their life depends on it because their life depends on it. Looking back at the heavy use of DDT, lead and arsenic, we are on the right course with hybrids and biodynamic practices on the rise.
carla
(553 posts)and I fail to see how it is "a mess". It is one of the best studies simply because of the length of time they looked at their test rats. the GM industry has jumped on Seralini, et al. because they have successfully exposed the fallacies spouted by proponents of GM tech.
I am an organic farmer in Central America and we don't use herbicides, we use vinegar and for tough grasses we use vinegar and salt. It works and it decays int he soil and the salts wash out over the course of a rainy season. GM technology is a bad practice.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)This has been discussed at length, so I'll simply suggest that you do a little more research to find the counter arguments. They used a cancer model rat strain-- that develops tumors when well fed-- for pete's sake.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Review of 10 years of GMO researchno significant dangers
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/review-10-years-gmo-research-no-significant-dangers/
20 points of broad scientific consensus on GE crops by Pamela Ronald
http://www.biofortified.org/2013/10/20-points-of-broad-scientific-consensus-on-ge-crops/
The denialists are in the same league as those who ignore the science on global warming. It's just bizarre.
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Exactly. This is fear-mongering propaganda. It's the antithesis of what DU used to support.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/collideascape/2013/10/21/gmo-opponents-stay-denial/
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 23, 2013, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)
Oh, and not the ones that have been debunked.
Thanks.
PS: What does science say about GMOstheyre safe
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/science-gmo-safe/
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And not the BS small-scale ones that have been debunked far and wide.
PSST: http://www.vegangmo.com/?page_id=1091
On edit, I guess not: Of course, it's not surprising. Here is one of the "signees" -- http://www.alisonwilsonphd.com/
And then there's Project Steve, which says all you need to know about this kind of nonsense: http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve
newfie11
(8,159 posts)agent46
(1,262 posts)Global climate change? We need more research.
The oceans are dying? We need more research.
Smoking causes cancer? We need more research.
Nuclear power is dangerous and highly toxic. We need more debate.
NSA unconstitutional surveillance overreach? We need more debate.
Hackable electronic voting machines? We don't need any research or debate.
Corporate controlled media? We don't need any research or debate.
The ACA is really landmark national healthcare legislation? We don't need any debate.
No. GMOs are not safe. They allow the farming industry to manufacture, sell and dump unprecedented millions tons more of pesticides and weed killers into the ecosystem. Not only does it represent yet another ecological time bomb, the pesticides are very difficult to remove from the surface of vegetables and fruit and will be going into our systems at unprecedented levels. These pesticides cause cancer and nerve degeneration.
This doesn't even address all the unknowns that remain about the safety of consuming these new super chimera foods that are somehow invulnerable to all these poisons.
Yeah. Just let the "authorities" continue to frame the narrative.
Hell. Maybe people really are just that stupid.
djean111
(14,255 posts)which gives them immunity from prosecution no matter what happens as a result of using their GMO seeds?
Immunity from damages, immunity from having to test, immunity from any current laws that attempt to curb their spread.
I guess this is another way the TPP and corporations will just ignore American laws and citizens - just repeal regulations or ignore them.
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto-protection-act-resurrected-to-grant-biotech-giant-legal-immunity/
This means that even if Monsanto were to go and plant a genetically modified crop variation that was admitted to cause cancer, they would still be immune. Even if they went and created something called the Cancer Apple, for example, this Monsanto Protection Act steps in and holds even the federal court system back from doing anything about it. Monsanto is even now more powerful than the bloated federal government.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)managed to undo that horrible piece of legislation.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Fox always seems to find scientists who say global warning is undecided. Science isn't what it used to be - lots of "research" is funded by extremely biased interests.
ruffburr
(1,190 posts)Lable it so we can decide what we want to eat!!!