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pamela

(3,469 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 12:45 PM Jan 2012

The Mexico We Have Found...Two Years Later

I thought this was an interesting article about a guy and his wife who decided to live in Mexico. At the end of the article there are links to three other articles he has written on the subject. He makes some interesting points about the difference in laws, politics and culture and the American perception of Mexico and its people. Nice twist on the "illegal immigrant" issue and good info for folks who may be thinking about living there at some point.


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/january142012/mexico-life-vp.php


(SAN BLAS, Mexico) - "They come up here with no money, they can't speak the language, and they expect to find work and a comfortable life. Maybe you should go down to Mexico with no money, not speaking any Spanish, and see if they welcome you with open arms... you wouldn't last six months let alone a year, and that's if you weren't killed first!" Advice/idea I received while arguing with an anti-immigrant racist in Oregon, May 2008.

Today makes two years since my wife Glenda and I rolled into this central Mexican coastal town of San Blas, Nayarit, our entire lives condensed to the area contained in our 95 Ford cargo van. We arrived on Christmas Eve, 2009, with $2000 US. (all the money we owned), sticker-making machine, signmaking tools, metal working tools, a welder, music equipment and other things that we thought we might be able to make a living with.

We spoke Spanish at the level of a three year old child. We had no possessions back in the US, no pension, no savings account to fall back on, no SS. We agreed that no matter how things went, we would not consider leaving for one year. A year earlier, we had never heard of San Blas, would have thought Nayarit (the state we are in) was probably somewhere in Indonesia, and had not even really seriously considered living anywhere other than Oregon, let alone the Mexican tropics.


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The Mexico We Have Found...Two Years Later (Original Post) pamela Jan 2012 OP
Thanks for posting this! livetohike Jan 2012 #1
You're welcome. pamela Jan 2012 #4
Interesting article Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #2
The author realized the disconnection. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #6
oops you beat me to it. pamela Jan 2012 #8
Doh Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #9
I believe his take on the irony angle is the illogic behind it all. He's basing this Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #11
He acknowledges that disconnect though. pamela Jan 2012 #7
Wow! just wow. k&r OffWithTheirHeads Jan 2012 #3
This is an excellent article. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #5
You're welcome! pamela Jan 2012 #10
As a side note, I have thought this before, but walls can block people from both directions. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #12
I agree 98% izquierdista Jan 2012 #13
Thank you. That was very interesting. treestar Jan 2012 #14

pamela

(3,469 posts)
4. You're welcome.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jan 2012

I read a lot of stuff like this about people who sell everything and take off in search of a different lifestyle. My husband and I are putting our condo on the market next week and doing something similiar as soon as it sells. I was fascinated by this when I found it yesterday and devoured all four of the articles he has written. Very interesting perspective.

 

Kellerfeller

(397 posts)
2. Interesting article
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jan 2012

I appreciate how the author points out that Americans have and use so much but don't really appreciate it.

I did find it frustrating when he wrote "We have been drinking more than usual lately. Our brew of choice is Pacifico. We are running out of money and are unable to do anything about it. "

I see this far too often. People supposedly don't have enough to food or rent but yet can afford booze, cigs, or weed. The cognitive disconnect that allows that just baffles me.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
6. The author realized the disconnection.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:39 PM
Jan 2012

""We have been drinking more than usual lately. Our brew of choice is Pacifico. We are running out of money and are unable to do anything about it. We have less than a months rent money left and work is coming in much much slower than needed. So we drink beer to relax while we can and ignore the freight train of destitution bearing down on us. However, drinking beer in Mexico is not cheap.

The average worker has to work a little over an hour to earn enough to get one quart of beer. We both are aware of the irony of our spending money on beer to help us relax and stop worrying about money. The toughest thing for me is not knowing what to do about our situation. Legally I cannot work here, but I know I will have to, regardless of the consequences. I have never felt so helpless and without options."

 

Kellerfeller

(397 posts)
9. Doh
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jan 2012

I did see that and was going to mention it but apparently got too excited and hit 'post' too quickly. Thanks for pointing it out.

The fact that he recognizes it is good, but doesn't help much. He calls it irony, when it isn't, but still does it even though he recognizes it is problematic.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
11. I believe his take on the irony angle is the illogic behind it all. He's basing this
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jan 2012

on his primary view of himself having been a creature of reason and not emotion.

His stay in Mexico is a journey of self-realization on multiple levels.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
7. He acknowledges that disconnect though.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 01:51 PM
Jan 2012

I like that he was honest about it. That's part of what I found so interesting about all of his articles on the subject-he is so honest. I read a lot of stuff like this and often get the feeling that people are whitewashing things and painting themselves as the noble hero of a grand adventure. Plus, the passage you are referring to occurred during a brief period when they were feeling particularly low. It's not like he sat around for months drinking up every penny he made.



pamela

(3,469 posts)
10. You're welcome!
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jan 2012

I definitely thought it was a "good read" and thought there were folks here who would appreciate it. Glad you liked it. Read his other articles that he linked at the bottom if you get the chance. Some of the comments are great, especially the ones from the wingnuts that misunderstood his sarcasm in one article and thought he was an illegal immigrant in America from Mexico. Priceless stuff.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
12. As a side note, I have thought this before, but walls can block people from both directions.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jan 2012

I can see some grim future scenario in the U.S. when primary traffic across the border might be reversed.

Perhaps it's just a personal sense of national claustrophobia, or a subconcious coloring by a "land of the free," mental image but I hate walls.

Peace to you, pamela.

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
13. I agree 98%
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jan 2012

My only comment would be to say that it shouldn't take a year and a half to bring your foreign language up to an acceptable level. The Peace Corps language training program is 4 hours a day for 3 months, and they bring their volunteers up to an acceptable level. But that takes a little structure (provided by a teacher) and a lot of effort on the part of the student.

Anyone planning on doing this (and having done it myself, I highly recommend it), you need to make an investment in learning the language. It doesn't have to cost a lot in terms of money, but it should be a big investment in terms of time and effort. One of the big advantages of being a native English speaker is that English is the language of world commerce and people the world over want to learn it. It's very easy to trade off lessons in English for lessons in the local language.

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