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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 02:57 PM Dec 2013

Grateful without God: A secular Thanksgiving

This week, millions of Americans will pause before diving into the turkey, stuffing and gravy to give thanks to God for the bounty on their table.

But many of the nonreligious will also include a moment of thanks, as "secular grace" grows in popularity among atheists, humanists, agnostics, freethinkers and other so-called "nones."

"We give thanks for what is happening here and now," said Maggie Ardiente, director of development and communications for the American Humanist Association, which last week asked members to share their secular grace on its website.

"It is important for us as nonbelievers to recognize that we are lucky in the grand scheme of the universe and to spend this time with our friends and family, and the tradition of doing that once a year, whether you are religious or not, is a valuable thing to do."

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/57190750-80/grace-secular-thanks-thanksgiving.html.csp
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Grateful without God: A secular Thanksgiving (Original Post) SecularMotion Dec 2013 OP
Give thanks to what or whom? DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #1
To the "grand scheme of the universe" of course! FBaggins Dec 2013 #2
Ah hah! DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #4
When my atheist family sat down to dinner last Thursday... The_Commonist Dec 2013 #3
If it could speak, it would not say, "You're welcome." DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #5
I don't see why not. The_Commonist Dec 2013 #6
Yes, animals have a short attention span in such regards DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #7
Apparently, you did not read the article. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #8
I did, and I saw this: DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #9
A benediction can be secular. Quite simply it is a blessing which also means giving approval or Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #10
A blessing cannot be secular, by definition. DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #11
Miriam-Webster: Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #12
M-W is a bad source DavidDvorkin Dec 2013 #14
Gratitude is always worth cultivating struggle4progress Dec 2013 #13

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
1. Give thanks to what or whom?
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:06 PM
Dec 2013

This makes no sense.

I feel very fortunate about my current situation, but that's not the same as giving thanks.

FBaggins

(26,744 posts)
2. To the "grand scheme of the universe" of course!
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:18 PM
Dec 2013

Which... you know... is not at all the same thing as a god.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
3. When my atheist family sat down to dinner last Thursday...
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:23 PM
Dec 2013

We gave thanks to the bird that was about to feed us! In fact, I always say thank you (often under my breath, particularly in restaurants) to whatever critter I'm about to eat. It's my personal policy to eat all the critter on my plate. I may end up throwing away a little bit of veggie or some carbs, but I always finish the critter. They deserve that much.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
6. I don't see why not.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:09 PM
Dec 2013

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Human beings seem to be the only critters on the earth who act like we are outside of the cycle of life and death that every other lifeform on the planet seems to understand. That was quite a clunky sentence. Let me try again.

If you watch one of those nature films of lions chasing wildebeest, you can see that yes, there is terror in the eyes of the one that gets caught. But then once the deed is done, all the other wildebeest go right back to eating grass. Often within a few feet of the lions munching on their fallen comrade. In fact, I remember once when I was a kid seeing a film just like that, and the lions grabbed a baby wildebeest right from its mother. Once the baby was dead and being eaten, the mother seemed to just fade back into the herd and continue to graze without missing a beat. I learned a lot in that moment. The wildebeest understand that the lion must eat too, and they don't get mad at the lion for doing what it must do to survive.

Human beings, on the other hand, with our seemingly higher form of consciousness, get mad at death. I know I do. In fact, I would even suggest that we are downright insane in our approach to and feelings about death. It appears as though we, or at least a particularly "offended by death" subset, would rather destroy the whole planet and everyone and everything on it than face death in a rational and realistic fashion. Personally, I think that is much of the motivation of those who hoard huge amounts of wealth. They feel they can stave off death just a little bit longer.

Even though I am certainly not looking forward to my own death many many many years from now, one thing I do know is that I don't want to be cremated or put into a sealed box. I want to be thrown into the ground or the ocean to rot and be eaten by other members of "the community" of bugs and worms and microbes. That's the least I can do, after eating so many of my delicious brothers and sisters!

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
7. Yes, animals have a short attention span in such regards
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 05:16 PM
Dec 2013

Once they're out of danger, they go on with their lives. That's not a sign of their superiority to us, however.

In any case, the one being eaten alive, as is often the case in predation, is not so placid about the matter. The animal whose body parts are on your plate would not be placid if it were somehow still conscious.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. Apparently, you did not read the article.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

Which clearly stated that they give thanks to people and the animal they are about to eat, etc.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
9. I did, and I saw this:
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:20 PM
Dec 2013

"Secular grace is not offered as a prayer, but more as a benediction over those present."

Benediction!

That's absurd and meaningless for a non-theist.

As for thanking the animal, that's truly repellent.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. A benediction can be secular. Quite simply it is a blessing which also means giving approval or
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:44 PM
Dec 2013

support.

All rather mundane.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. Miriam-Webster:
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:55 PM
Dec 2013

1

a : the act or words of one that blesses
b : approval, encouragement

2 : a thing conducive to happiness or welfare
3 : grace said at a meal

Clearly, approval or encouragement or a thing conductive to happiness or welfare have nothing to do with religion or any god.

MacMillan:

1 [countable] something good that you feel very grateful or lucky to have


2 [singular] permission or support for something give someone/something your blessing:

3 [uncountable] protection and help offered by God
a. [countable] a prayer asking for God's help and protection

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
14. M-W is a bad source
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:26 PM
Dec 2013

Use it if you like, but it's clear to me that the it's nonsensical and absurd for a non-theist to say a blessing.

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