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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:44 AM Dec 2013

So excited. I found archived writings by a great grandfather about his travels among the Seminoles.

I had been told they were archived in the University of Florida Digital Collections, but it took me ages to find them on a search. They were archived there in 1871, and it is hard to navigate. I guess it will take a long time to read the series, but it is an exciting find. He wrote from a perspective of a minister who traveled among them on horseback.

It's great thing to finally discover, and it has me a little emotional. All of my research about him has shown him to be an impressive figure, a doctor, lawyer, and minister.

My genealogy research indicates one line of my family were Methodist ministers, another line were Southern Baptist ministers. And look at me, I am neither right now. No denomination at all. Disillusioned by the wedge issues.

It's a sentimental thing to find something like that. It kind of gives a nice finish to what has been a rough year for our family.

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So excited. I found archived writings by a great grandfather about his travels among the Seminoles. (Original Post) madfloridian Dec 2013 OP
Very very cool frazzled Dec 2013 #1
I just shared the link with several family members. madfloridian Dec 2013 #2
Ah, for the days of microfilm and Xerox machines frazzled Dec 2013 #3
..... madfloridian Dec 2013 #6
How very very cool! NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #4
Thanks.... madfloridian Dec 2013 #5
Wow, mad! That is GREAT! Man! What a find. loudsue Dec 2013 #7
And a big cyberhug right back. madfloridian Dec 2013 #8
Oh how wonderful- great job! Tumbulu Dec 2013 #9
I understand how you're feeling... No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #10
Very interesting... and here's hoping that next year is a less rough year. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2013 #11
I am hoping that also. madfloridian Dec 2013 #14
If you run across the name L. J. Oliver in your research let me know. Lochloosa Dec 2013 #12
The Methodist archivists are very helpful.. madfloridian Dec 2013 #13
Sounds like it will be an interesting account, madfloridian. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #15
One thing I have already noticed... madfloridian Dec 2013 #16
It was the 19th Century reality, I'm afraid. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #17
Be careful with what you expect. malthaussen Dec 2013 #18
Previous research had led me to that caution. madfloridian Dec 2013 #20
Wasn't always so shrike Dec 2013 #19
scan, upload, and share sometime yurbud Dec 2013 #21
There's a print option, but since they are very old newspaper pages... madfloridian Dec 2013 #22
For such an important family history document, I'd try yurbud Dec 2013 #23
The librarian emailed me that they thought they could copy them for me. madfloridian Dec 2013 #24
I have gotten 3 short articles from the archivists. madfloridian Dec 2013 #25
Awesome! dballance Dec 2013 #26

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. I just shared the link with several family members.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:02 AM
Dec 2013

It will be great reading, but it is going to be tiring trying to figure how to get from one issue fo the paper to another. This is not modern computer stuff. Guess I don't mind though, because it is so great to find them. I have navigated archives before in my research, but this seems harder than usual.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. Ah, for the days of microfilm and Xerox machines
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:05 AM
Dec 2013

Just kidding, but I do remember those days. Maybe 150 years from now my great great great grandchildren will find this post and laugh.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
5. Thanks....
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:25 AM
Dec 2013

It's been a hard few years for our family, many losses. This brings a bright spot. The only thing that might bother me if I find it.....the church archives say he called them heathens. I think I hope I don't run across that online. It would be upsetting. I think it would upset the Seminoles also. I did a lot of genealogy for a while, but haven't for several years.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
7. Wow, mad! That is GREAT! Man! What a find.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:56 AM
Dec 2013

Just the few things I've re-lived through my own long-deceased grandfather, I can well imagine how you must feel about this find. That's great!

BTW, I'm really sorry you've had a rough year. I'm sending a big old cyber-hug. I hope it all gets better and better soon.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
10. I understand how you're feeling...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:24 AM
Dec 2013

My genealogical finds haven't been quite as exciting, but they really do hit you to the core.
Savor the words and flavor of your ancestor as you relive his thoughts from 140+ yrs ago.
Congratulations!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
14. I am hoping that also.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:56 AM
Dec 2013

Thanks for the wishes. Time for a break in the new year. Hoping for good stuff only.

Lochloosa

(16,064 posts)
12. If you run across the name L. J. Oliver in your research let me know.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:08 AM
Dec 2013

That is my Great Grandfather and he was a Methodist minister in Jacksonville, FL.

Maybe I can give you some help with your genealogy research.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
13. The Methodist archivists are very helpful..
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 09:55 AM
Dec 2013

Did you try them in the Jacksonville area? I called one in our area and was able to get the very long memorial tribute to my great great grandfather mentioned in the OP. It was a treasure, and it really started my research.

I will keep your offer in mind. Thanks.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
15. Sounds like it will be an interesting account, madfloridian.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
Dec 2013

Maybe you will be able to share some of it with us.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
16. One thing I have already noticed...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:08 AM
Dec 2013

A prevailing theme in my 2nd great grandfather's writing, and also in others in the archived pages, is their condescending view toward the Seminoles and other tribes. I wonder if it was the era or what? It surprises me. And bothers me.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. It was the 19th Century reality, I'm afraid.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:24 AM
Dec 2013

Religion was often the excuse for treating the native population with contempt as they did, "They're Godless heathens."

Even after the Seminoles escaped to the everglades where no Europeans would choose to live and the Apaches escaped to the far reaches of arid canyon lands, they were still hounded and hunted down like animals. This happened from one end of the continent to the other. It is a sad and sorry legacy.

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
18. Be careful with what you expect.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

The Seminoles were run over by the steamroller of white culture, just as many other tribes were. If your ancestor was a Christian missionary, you may discover that he was instrumental in that. The natives were regarded as heathens and savages, and any excess could be excused by claiming they were being "civilized" or "brought to Jesus." It would not be surprising at all if your ancestor participated in that view. It is only relatively recently that those of European descent have come to view other races as human.

-- Mal

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. Previous research had led me to that caution.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:28 PM
Dec 2013

His memoriam from the church and several other clues had made me realize he and I would not agree on much.

From what I hear, the Baptist line was more rigid. Not many liberals in my background.

shrike

(3,817 posts)
19. Wasn't always so
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
Dec 2013

I read the journal entries of a young woman who'd traveled to Ohio with her minister father and her mother to work with what was left of the Shawnee tribe. They lived and worked among Black Hoof's people. One thing that struck me was this young woman's compassion for these people: alcoholism was rampant, their old way was dying, and very few had a way to get by. She and her parents arrived after the back of the tribe had already been broken. They seemed incredibly sympathetic to the tribe's plight. Unfortunately, they wouldn't stay long. The woman's mother became ill and died, and her grieving father took the family back east so they could be with their own people. Absolutely fascinating look at another time.

Like others have said, be aware that you're dealing with the 19th century. Issues, and viewpoints, were different.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
22. There's a print option, but since they are very old newspaper pages...
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:30 PM
Dec 2013

you have take the whole page or nothing. I see nothing so far that allows cropping. Would have to try a program to crop just the section. There are free ones. Not sure if that would work.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
24. The librarian emailed me that they thought they could copy them for me.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dec 2013

When I get results from historians or archivists, I always donate even if they don't ask a fee. They deserve it.

I worry though because I don't think the articles will be as legible in print as they are online in digital format. Maybe though, worth the try.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
25. I have gotten 3 short articles from the archivists.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 10:36 PM
Dec 2013

They will send more later. One tells of a meeting with Tiger Tail who treated him with courtesy as a guest. I had to look that name up, as it was not familiar.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20101205/COLUMNISTS/12055017?p=1&tc=pg

"Tiger Tail, also known as Thlocklo-Tustenuggee, was one of the last chiefs to continue fighting the Second Seminole War in the 1840s. He was described as tall and intelligent, and at times could be quite friendly to settlers. In fact, it was universally reported that he maintained close ties with Robert Gamble, a plantation owner near Tallahassee, even during the war.

When the Second Seminole War broke out in December 1835 -- a direct result of President Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal Act of 1830 -- Tiger Tail aligned himself with Seminoles and Miccosukees who refused to emigrate from Florida to Oklahoma. Although his name is not as widely remembered as Osceola, Micanopy, Wildcat and Jumper, Tiger Tail fought fiercely throughout the statewide, seven-years-long conflict.

It was in November 1842 that Tiger Tail finally seemed to acquiesce. It appears he made an agreement to emigrate -- a common tactic among Seminoles to peacefully gain supplies from the military before escaping into the night. This time, however, it's said Tiger Tail was captured in earnest so he could be transported to the west."

Interesting stuff.

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