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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:12 AM Jan 2012

Hitler’s Nazi treatise ‘Mein Kampf’ to reappear in Germany

Reuters Jan 16, 2012 – 12:30 PM ET

By Alice Baghdjian
BERLIN – Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”, banned from German bookstores, will soon be available from newspaper kiosks after a British publisher said he would print excerpts from the text in Germany.

But the state of Bavaria, which owns the copyrights to the Nazi vision of Aryan racial supremacy, said it was considering legal steps to block publication.

Reprinting the Nazi dictator’s autobiography, which outlines his ambitions to seize vast areas of land in eastern Europe to provide living space for the so-called master race, is outlawed in Germany except for academic study.

The first of three 16-page extracts from the book, accompanied by a critical commentary, will be published later this month with a print run of 100,000 each, Peter McGee, head of London-based publishing firm Albertas Ltd told Reuters.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/16/hitlers-nazi-treatise-mein-kampf-to-reappear-in-germany/

Disappointing. I think extremists will latch onto this and no real educational benefit will be gained.

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Hitler’s Nazi treatise ‘Mein Kampf’ to reappear in Germany (Original Post) ellisonz Jan 2012 OP
Let the sun shine in! Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 #1
I think Germany has legitimate reasons... ellisonz Jan 2012 #2
Because banning hate speech is a slippery slope MicaelS Jan 2012 #7
"And was not the whole point of the BOR to AMEND the Constitution" ellisonz Jan 2012 #8
+1. bemildred Jan 2012 #6
I have come to the same conclusion, you can't get rid of darkness with more darkness, Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #9
This cannot be a good idea DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #3
mein kampf is widely available in the usa and the nazis havent taken us over...yet lol nt msongs Jan 2012 #4
It was available in Germany at one point, however; and the Nazi did take over. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #10
So it was the books fault? Not sure I buy that. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #15
Just checked out of curiousity dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #13
Freedom of speech Tomay Jan 2012 #5
Welcome to DU! ellisonz Jan 2012 #11
There is no freedom of speech in Germany jakeXT Jan 2012 #14
Hitler book Mein Kampf: Germany extracts plan dropped ellisonz Jan 2012 #12

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
1. Let the sun shine in!
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:32 AM
Jan 2012

I have actually read most of Mein Kampf. It is a chore to read, but not because of it's bigotry, but it is just poorly written spittle. It is good for people to see it. Most have NO IDEA what is actually in that book. If anything, it should be required reading in diversity classes and mental health courses.

I understand Germany's laws, don't know that I agree; I really don't. It is similar, IMO, to the law being brought forth in Israel about using Holocaust imagary.

I am American. I view the 1st Amendment as almost sacrosanct.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
2. I think Germany has legitimate reasons...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:49 AM
Jan 2012

...for banning this text and similarly the Nazi swastika and salute. The danger of glorification of this period by dangerous elements is very real and is I suppose for Germany, essentially the same thing as treason. This is an act that even our Constitution forbids in blanket terms:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


Why we have gone so far in protecting hate speech is beyond me, and in my opinion, becomes very problematic when we get to the debate of whether there is such a thing as a "hate crime." I would rather just admit that we've been negligent in enforcing this penalty for such acts and if not ban it, turn it into a "prohibited class" of individuals for several purposes. I think that we don't construe such acts as the propagation of Neo-Nazism as treasonous is a product of our racist past. I'd have signed and enforced the Alien and Sedition Acts though, so I'm not exactly the penultimate civil libertarian in the views of some at this website (Gungeon *cough*); I'm a bleeding Federalist and I do not believe the Bill of Rights was intended to afford protection to acts in clear violation of other parts of the Constitution. To this extent, I think we interpret the 1st Amendment as protecting such speech at the expense of the 9th Amendment, which states: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Would we have let ex-Confederates march in uniform down Pennsylvania Avenue and salute the Stars and Bars?


MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
7. Because banning hate speech is a slippery slope
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jan 2012

And we don't want to start down it, that's why.

And was not the whole point of the BOR to AMEND the Constitution?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
8. "And was not the whole point of the BOR to AMEND the Constitution"
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jan 2012

It's addition, it doesn't override other articles and clauses of the Constitution. And yes we do prohibit certain types of speech...the classic example being you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

Uncle Joe

(58,365 posts)
9. I have come to the same conclusion, you can't get rid of darkness with more darkness,
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:06 PM
Jan 2012

only light will do that, even if it may be harsh.

 

DeathToTheOil

(1,124 posts)
3. This cannot be a good idea
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:08 AM
Jan 2012

It's like describing how one would go about raping a woman, then adding a "Rape is Wrong" footnote.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. It was available in Germany at one point, however; and the Nazi did take over.
Fri Jan 20, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jan 2012

It was available in Germany at one point, however; and the Nazis did take over.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
15. So it was the books fault? Not sure I buy that.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:53 AM
Jan 2012

But setting that aside I wonder how legally Bavaria can be claiming copyright on it since wasnt it printed back in 1926? Or has copyright been extended even further?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
13. Just checked out of curiousity
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:47 AM
Jan 2012

Amazon have it listed - £8.72 paperback.

I don't actually believe its ever been out of print. I've never read it so have no idea whatsoever what its all about.

Tomay

(58 posts)
5. Freedom of speech
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jan 2012

trumps just about anything, in my view. I would say allow it to be published. I say that having actually read Mein Kampf. I agree with previous poster about how badly written it is; it's very unpersuasive, but provides insight into Hitler's disordered mind. Besides, even in the Nazi era, the book was rarely actually read even in Germany (according to William L. Shirer), though it was a bestseller; people bought it as a wedding gift, coffeetable item, etc. For Germans it was politically correct to have a copy visible in the home somewhere. Most Nazis didn't become Nazis by reading Mein Kampf.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
14. There is no freedom of speech in Germany
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:51 AM
Jan 2012

Although freedom of the press and of expression is written into German law, the country is generally more wary of free speech than the US, where Zündel's dissemination of racist literature and refutation of the Holocaust -- while distasteful to most -- was perfectly legal.
 
In Germany, however, it was not. Zündel was deported to his native country in March 2005 after a long legal battle with the Canadian government. He found himself immediately under arrest and up against the German justice system. If the 66-year-old is found guilty by a court in Mannheim of incitement to racial hatred, libel and defamation of the memory of the dead, he faces up to five years in prison.
 
....

 
German law therefore constrains press freedom, said Udo Branahl, a professor of media law at the University of Dortmund.
 
"The penal law code says Holocaust denial is a punishable offense," he said. "That ban limits press freedom and overrides the right to free expression in the mass media."
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1896750,00.html

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. Hitler book Mein Kampf: Germany extracts plan dropped
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:43 AM
Jan 2012

Supplement containing extracts from Mein Kampf The publisher had planned to include a supplement with extracts from Mein Kampf with this Thursday's edition
25 January 2012 Last updated at 12:31 ET

A British publisher who planned to sell extracts of Adolf Hitler's political manifesto Mein Kampf on the streets of Germany has backed down.

The state of Bavaria, which owns the copyright to the book, had threatened legal action if publisher Peter McGee sold pamphlets containing the extracts.

Mr McGee sells reproductions of Nazi-era newspapers along with historians' analysis of their content.

He will now render Hitler's text illegible when his pamphlets are sold.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16728077

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