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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Sat Feb 15, 2014, 12:47 PM Feb 2014

Experts warn of 'Chernobyl' risk at Yongbyon nuclear plant - Jane's Defence Weekly

http://www.janes.com/article/33051/experts-warn-of-chernobyl-risk-at-yongbyon-nuclear-plant

Experts warn of 'Chernobyl' risk at Yongbyon nuclear plant
Sebastien Falletti, Seoul - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
26 January 2014

North Korea's decision to restart its 5 megawatt electric (MWe) reactor at the Yongbyon nuclear scientific research complex threatens Northeast Asia with a disaster potentially worse than Chernobyl, according to nuclear experts.

"This reactor comes from another world. The Yongbyon site has a concentration of so many nuclear facilities that if there was a fire in one building it could lead to a disaster worse than the Ukrainian one," said Seo Kyun Reul, a professor at the nucleonic department of Seoul National University.

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"Graphite loves to burn. All the countries that used it faced a fire issue at some point," said Peter Hayes of the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. "The safety issue in Yongbyon is straightforward - the graphite moderator catches fire, and you have a perfect storm: a fire with powerful thermal plume carrying contents high into the sky."

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Depending on the wind direction, the radioactive plume could threaten the population of Pyongyang, which is only 85 km away, or Siberia and northern Japan. Seoul, which is only 300 km south, could also be impacted.

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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
3. This isn't S. Korean propaganda; Janes is one of the most reliable publications out there.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 04:41 PM
Feb 2014

They specialize in and are the gold standard for military weapons systems of all types and AFAIK their reputation is impeccable.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
12. The two aren't mutually exclusive
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:54 PM
Feb 2014

Yes... Jane's is a very reliable source on military (and related) topics. That doesn't mean that the people they're interviewing aren't using a bit of hyperbole.

I'm not exactly comfortable with N.Korea operating that aged technology... but I don't think it's plausible to get a "worse than Chernobyl" result. Chernobyl was about as close to worst-case as you can get. No shutdown... no containment... and a burning core sending massive amounts of material into the air.

The Korean reactor could have a comparable set of events... but at 5MW... there wouldn't be enough fuel involved to match Chernobyl.

The real concern is that this is a souce of weapons plutonium for a regime that's more likely to use a nuke than we would like.

dougolat

(716 posts)
2. A prolonged natural disaster could make any nuclear plant melt-down
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 03:28 AM
Feb 2014

And then there's intentional sabotage.....

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. Human error is the most likely root cause of a meltdown
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 05:14 PM
Feb 2014

The point of the OP is that this type of reactor is particularly dangerous if it does experience a meltdown because it uses internal components that can burn easily - and - it has no effective way to contain the release of radioactive emissions that would be part of the smoke produced in the fire.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
5. So let's just beat those drums of war until it goes away -- or doesn't -- amirite?
Wed Feb 19, 2014, 05:47 AM
Feb 2014

We can always send in a few drone strikes and spread some of that yummy depleted uranium around, and that'll teach 'em we mean fuckin' business! Or, or, I know! We'll covertly "speed up" the process of the reactor going and then we can all scream a big "we told you so!!" since it'll just be some North Koreans and nobody who actually matters.

Don't know about you, but as for me I can definitely envision either one of these playing out. ANYTHING but bridging the gap and trying to help them make their nuclear programs safer, since we all know those long-suffering and oppressed people would rather be breathing in coal ash while they're noshing down on the day's catch of rats.

This type of SHIT deserves no more traction here in Good Reads than it EVER deserved in Environment/Energy. Give. It. A. REST.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
8. No, you are not right.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:33 PM
Feb 2014

You are, however, engaging in a typical rite as practiced by the devoted acolytes of the Temple of Uranus.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
9. On second thought, I don't even want to go here with you.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:09 PM
Feb 2014

But I promise you that if I end up correct on either count, you'll be hearing from me.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
10. Do think your post #5 was "in the spirit of "intelligent" debate"?
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:17 PM
Feb 2014

Really?

It struck me as typical of the same divorced-from-reality, hit-and-run mindless snark that you engaged in when you were part of the nuclear lovers gang on EE.



ETA previous versions of your post:
You wrote:

Original version with no edits.
9. Stated, as always, in the spirit of "intelligent" debate...
...I'm sure.


You wrote:
Not worth getting into a battle of insults over this shit. Really.
9. On second thought, I don't even want to go here with you.
But I promise you that if I end up correct on either count, you'll be hearing from me.

Systematic Chaos

(8,601 posts)
11. Thank you for posting what anyone could have seen for themselves.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:27 PM
Feb 2014

I didn't just take the chickenshit way out and delete the original post for a reason.

Have a great evening.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
7. and I can just imagine how prepared N.K. is to deal with a leak, melt-down, etc. CHrist!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:52 PM
Feb 2014


... and we are downstream, ocean currents and atmospheric currents-wise from them!


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