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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:19 PM Mar 2014

Ukraine crisis upends West's view of Russian President Vladimir Putin

WASHINGTON — The Ukraine crisis has forced Western leaders to reassess what they thought they knew about Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has shown that he is willing to make far riskier moves to achieve his security goals and that his hostility to the U.S. and its allies runs much deeper than many wanted to believe.

That reappraisal has caused U.S. national security officials to take Putin more seriously as a threat. The possibility that he might also send troops into eastern Ukraine, which could spark a war, or that he might use force against other neighboring countries, including the Baltic nations, no longer seems as unlikely as the foreign policy establishment thought.

"We're seeing that he has the ability and will do things that … we were sure they wouldn't do," said Eugene Rumer, a Russia specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "We are being forced by events to reappraise Putin, Russia policy and our relationship."

Putin alarmed Western governments in 2008 when his troops and tanks moved into two pro-Russia breakaway regions of Georgia to stop a military advance by the central government. But his use of troops to seize control of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula without any provocation is a far more ominous threat, breaking more international norms and involving a nation that is far more consequential to the security of Europe, officials and analysts say.

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-ukraine-putin-20140307,0,2724923.story

Pitiful. That's the only word that comes to mind. And "cognitive disconnect".

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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
1. No, talking is impossible ... we have to study body language
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:29 PM
Mar 2014
Pentagon studies Putin body language for hint of intent

A Pentagon research team is studying the body movements of Russian President Vladimir Putin and other world leaders in order to better predict their actions and guide U.S. policy, Pentagon documents and interviews show.

The "Body Leads" project backed by the Office of Net Assessment (ONA), the think tank reporting to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, uses the principles of movement pattern analysis to predict how leaders will act.

U.S. policymakers are seeking any advantage they can find as they try to anticipate Putin, who in the past week has ordered Russian troops into neighboring Ukraine and laid claim to the Crimea Peninsula. The ensuing crisis has led to U.S. and European sanctions against Russia, spurred weapons and aircraft shipments to Eastern European nations and revived tensions last seen during the height of the Cold War.

ONA has backed the work of Brenda Connors, the director of Body Leads and a research fellow at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I., since 1996, records show, and has paid about $300,000 since 2009 to outside experts to work with her. Part of her work includes a 2008 report for ONA on Putin called "Movement, The Brain and Decision-making, the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/06/pentagon-studying-putins-body-movement-for-clues/6116281/

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
3. back in the 40s and 50s the OSS/CIA created "psych profiles" of leaders that later were revealed
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 04:21 PM
Mar 2014

they're ADORABLE

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. They're ignorant morons. There is no way to sugar coat it. Shallow all the way down.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:00 PM
Mar 2014

Any good actor, and any reasonably intelligent 15-year old is a good enough actor, will hand this system it's ass, if he knows he is being watched, and maybe even if he doesn't know, some people are always dissembling when in public.

And any good politician will use it against them. Guys like Putin will have them screwing themselves before they know it.

And they don't listen. They think they already know everything, so they are incapable of learning. They latch onto one piece of technical voodoo after another.

And that's not even getting into the "errors".

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
5. that happend with both the "China Desk" in the 50s and the Latin American experts in the 80s
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:16 PM
Mar 2014

anyone who *knew* anything about the regions in question was replaced with more fanatical and obedient types who'd Get the Job Done; the Pentagon and then even the CIA got sidestepped

Jeane Kirkpatrick said any local factors were neither important nor pertinent: the Latin American masses were incapable of becoming historical actors, currently trapped in an evolutionary "stage" of mere survival--so any unrest couldn't be a sign of popular discontent! those affected by a policy were the last people one should listen to

popular support for a rebellion, even under risk of death, was quite unthinkable, and nationalism or poverty were ignored; nothing was considered on its own terms--"the Soviet Union underlies all the unrest that is going on. If they weren’t engaged in this game of dominoes, there wouldn’t be any hot spots in the world"

any Third-World assertiveness was obviously a sign of Soviet advance; guerrillas, labor strikes, terrorism, drug trafficking, political dissension, peasant organization, Catholic Liberation Theology, and media criticism of U.S. foreign policy were all part of a coordinated global attack on U.S. values and security--on everything we are and stand for

Accuracy in Media claimed that Marxists control the U.S.’s media and universities and said John Lantigua got "live-in female Sandinista sex slaves in exchange for penning Sandinista agitprop"; US editors especially agreed that disinformation specialists in Managua” controlled the U.S. news and were behind any bad press; it's a “well-orchestrated effort” by a “worldwide communist network” that was controlling human-rights groups, the Catholic Church, and former Salvadoran officers

fortunately Reagan said that Roger Staubach would drive out any Nicaraguans taking Mexico and Texas

Igel

(35,309 posts)
6. They really weren't paying attention, were they?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:01 PM
Mar 2014

When people say, "We are the world" they really sometimes seem to confuse that with "everybody's just like us."

College-educated Europeans and Americans are not the world. The world keeps pointing this out in very clear terms, but somehow the college-educated Europeans and Americans keep missing the obvious in socially constructing their own reality.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Like this:
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:19 PM
Mar 2014
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

That just encapsulates it for me.
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