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pscot

(21,024 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:12 PM Mar 2014

Willful ignorance of cause and effect led to 18 dead

and counting.

John Pennington, the emergency manager of Snohomish County. “It was considered very safe.” He said this on Monday, two days after the equivalent of three million dump truck loads of wet earth heaved down on the river near the tiny town of Oso. Unforeseen — except for 60 years’ worth of warnings, most notably a report in 1999 that outlined “the potential for a large catastrophic failure” on the very hillside that just suffered a large catastrophic failure.

It is human nature, if not the American way, to look potential disaster in the face and prefer to see a bright and shining lie. The “taming” of this continent, in five centuries and change, required a mighty mustering of cognitive dissonance. As a result, most of us live with the danger of wildfire, earthquake, tornado, flooding, drought, hurricane or yet-to-be-defined and climate-change-influenced superstorm. A legacy of settlement is the delusion that large-scale manipulation of the natural world can be done without consequence.

What happened when the earth moved on a quiet Saturday morning in the Stillaguamish Valley was foretold, in some ways, by the relationship that people have with that sylvan slice of the Pacific Northwest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/opinion/sunday/egan-at-home-when-the-earth-moves.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

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Willful ignorance of cause and effect led to 18 dead (Original Post) pscot Mar 2014 OP
Geologists knew that mountain was going to crumble Warpy Mar 2014 #1
There was a small clearcut permitted in 2004 pscot Mar 2014 #6
Not small enough, apparently Warpy Mar 2014 #8
And then, there's this: Suich Mar 2014 #2
heh... 2naSalit Mar 2014 #3
I remember Harry defacto7 Mar 2014 #4
While I am for environmental protection, there are 7 billion people on this Earth and we all have to liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #5
There are a million people living at the base of Mt. Rainier pscot Mar 2014 #7

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
1. Geologists knew that mountain was going to crumble
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:09 AM
Mar 2014

as did anyone who looked closely at the pictures, seeing the big crack at the top.

Clear cutting timber companies didn't care. Nor did the county, which just kept issuing building permits and cackling over the increased tax base.

It looks like the state is going to have to step in and regulate both.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
6. There was a small clearcut permitted in 2004
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:30 AM
Mar 2014

in an area above and adjacent to the slide area. The loggers were allowed 7.5 acres, but they pushed the boundaries a little; a common practice. From the picture it looks like the additional cut provided drainage right into the slide area, like funnel. That probably wouldn't have much bothered the folks living in Oso. Some of them probably worked in the woods themselves. And there's a kind of live free or die ethos that prevails out in that neck of the woods. I'm not saying they were complicit in their own destruction, just that that's the way it is.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
8. Not small enough, apparently
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

and the area that slid had also been subjected to previous clear cutting.

State regulation is needed and the "live free or die" people can move to NH, where it's on the license plates, taxes are minimal, and services few. The lumbering is also less dangerous since the "soil" is a relatively thin glacial moraine sitting on bedrock.

2naSalit

(86,622 posts)
3. heh...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:02 AM
Mar 2014

Rachel Maddow mentioned Harry Truman the other day in her lead in to her reporting on this but she didn't mention Satterlee.

There's also an article about it on The Wildlife News web site about it/Satterlee too.

word gets around...

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. I remember Harry
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:28 AM
Mar 2014

He was a special case though. It was his choice knowing all along it would blow but having lived all those years in one of the most beautiful places on earth, he was ready to go with it and I understand that decision. If I lived there and was old and had lived a great life, that would have been my choice too.

The real issue with this catastrophe is that there was no real sunk in understanding of the possible slide. These people weren't like Harry. They just ignored it because everyone else ignored it and it finally caught up. I don't think they would have chosen to stay there if they were fully informed and really understood the risk. It's hard for people to see the large picture and know how quickly nature can reclaim its ground when it takes generations to see a change actually happen. That's where education and a respect for science comes in.

Harry knew exactly what he was doing, it was his time and his choice.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. While I am for environmental protection, there are 7 billion people on this Earth and we all have to
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:12 AM
Mar 2014

live somewhere. There is no place on this planet that does not have natural weather occurrences such as wildfire, earthquakes, tornadoes, droughts, floods, landslides, volcano eruptions, lahars, hurricanes and so on.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
7. There are a million people living at the base of Mt. Rainier
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:38 AM
Mar 2014

Which is a huge cinder cone, prone to vast lahars. They occur every few hundred years, so there's the potential there for something bigger than Pompeii and Herculaneum, right here in the Pacific Northwest.

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