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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 06:29 PM Jun 2014

Iraq crisis: In Baghdad, the fear index is the price of a bullet and it has tripled

Iraq is breaking up, with Shia and ethnic minorities fleeing massacres as a general Sunni revolt, led by the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) sweeps through northern Iraq. The Isis assault is still gaining victories, capturing the Shia Turkoman town of Tal Afar west of Mosul after heavy fighting against one of the Iraqi army’s more effective units.

Iraq could soon see sectarian slaughter similar to that which took place at the time of the partition of India in 1947. Pictures and evidence from eye witnesses confirm that Isis massacred some 1,700 Shia captives, many of them air force cadets, at the air force academy outside Tikrit, which proves that Isis intends to cleanse its new conquests of Shia. Sunni cadets were told to go home. If the battle moves to Baghdad, then the Shia majority in the capital might see the Sunni enclaves, particularly those in west Baghdad, such as Amiriya and Khadra, as weak points in their defences, and drive out the inhabitants.

In a misguided effort to sustain the morale of people in the capital, the government closed down the internet at 9am. It had already closed YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. The excuse is that Isis uses them to communicate, but this is extremely unlikely since Isis has a more professional communications system of its own. Since there is little confidence in the news on government-run television stations, or provided by official spokesmen, the internet shutdown is creating a vacuum of information filled by frightening rumours that are difficult to check.

The result is an atmosphere of growing panic in Baghdad with volunteers from the Shia militias being trucked to Samarra, north of the capital, to stop the Isis advance. The cost of a bullet for an AK47 assault rifle has tripled to 3,000 Iraqi dinars, or about $2. Kalashnikovs are almost impossible to buy from arms dealers though pistols can still be obtained at three times the price of a week ago. In the Shia holy city of Kerbala, south-east of Baghdad, the governor has asked volunteers to bring their own weapons to recruitment centres.

in full: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-in-baghdad-the-fear-index-is-the-price-of-a-bullet-and-it-has-tripled-9541893.html
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Iraq crisis: In Baghdad, the fear index is the price of a bullet and it has tripled (Original Post) Jefferson23 Jun 2014 OP
Jefferson23 Diclotican Jun 2014 #1
Well, vindication is bittersweet about a needless war, right? If only the Congress had Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #2
Jefferson23 Diclotican Jun 2014 #3
Well said, as usual. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
1. Jefferson23
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jun 2014

Jefferson23

More than a decade ago - I was telling the same thing - if US was to go into Iraq - it could end up in a breakup of the country by ethnic and religious lines... I was told to stuff it as I had no clue what I was talking about - and that the US of course had it all under control, and it was a silly idea to even speak about a breakup of Iraq by ethnic and religious lines...

I was right then - and the ones who told me to stuff it - had not even a clue how right I was - But I doubt I will be given any "sorry I got it wrong" from them anytime soon...

Diclotican

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. Well, vindication is bittersweet about a needless war, right? If only the Congress had
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:12 AM
Jun 2014

stopped Bush/Cheney..so much death and misery could have been avoided. The consequences/harm
have been, I would say, still unmeasurable in that there is no end game in sight that is tangible.

Perhaps the powers that be will listen next time if we work forcefully together to speak out
as too many in power do not fear the consequences of their actions.

It absolutely sickens me to hear the Cheney neo cons being trotted out right now blaming
Obama for the blow back from their war. They should be condemned in the press, but that
will not happen in the MSM.


Good to see you btw, Diclotican

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
3. Jefferson23
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jun 2014

Jefferson23

It is somewhat bittersweet - to know I was right all the way - and the ones who told me that I had no clue was the one who had no clue what so ever - and I used just my common sense - and the little education I have on this subject - to understand Iraq was to become a mess when the US involved itself into waging a war against Iraq.... But it is nice to be vindicated by the facts on the ground - and I guess a few ones I still have contact with - who was so for the war - could need a little water shower of truth if I was to tell them that

And the worst of it, is that neither Bush, Cheney and the rest of the gang will never be asked the hard questing by the current media outlets in the US - it is more than 40 year since Frost made Nixon cry in the end - because he understood that he might have messed up the Vietnam war thing to much - even if he had the best of intentions... If anyone of the US media outlets was to make a leap of feat out to the unknown - and do a real journalistic feat in our time - And really do the hard questing to the ones who made the Iraq war possible - and not let the subjects dominate the narrative - but to hit hard when they are trying to flowerpudring the fact I hope that man americans would be able to understand how fooled they was to support the war in Iraq..


If we work forcefully - and work together in a whole different way than first time around - to not let the lies be told - without attaching it - and to tell the world what really was going on - then it would not be that easy to scare people to believe that an war is the only option - as in the iraq case - we who was against the war - had it right when we said it was doubtfully Iraq had any WMD, and had no connection to 9/11 2001 - specially as most of the terrorists was of Saudi-Arabian and Yemenite decent - no iraqi was ever presented in the attack of the World Trade Center in NYC - or at pentagon... In fact AL-Quda itself was financed by an rich saudi-arabian - Osama Bin Laden was Saudi-arabian - even if the government revoked his passport in early 1990s.. And at least in the public eye made him a stateless person... The fact is that he had supporters all the way into the governing kingdom - and was paid one milliard dollar every year - to not attack Saudi-arabian interest in the kingdom - or outside on the international stage - and all until 2004 when some one who claimed to be Al-Qada attached interest inside the Kingdom - it was a compound for foreigners who was attached - the financial aid from the Saudi-Arabian State stooped up - but AQ had been paid handsomely for at least a decade - and I guess most of it still are in the hands of the financial aids of the organisation... Some it might confiscated but in the murky areas of international banking I guess a lot of it is still not accounted for - and in the hands of people who really want everything bad to happened to the rest of the world...

It is sickening to listen to Cheney and other neo-cons who is now trying it best to give Obama all the bad press - even if they do know - they was the ones who messed it up - to be Cheney and the other Neo-cons sounds like spoiled kids who are not used to take any responsibility for what they have messed up - and is blaming the current administration for the ones they did wrong back in the days - Remember this was the ones who claimed they was the grown ups - who had to clean up after the mess the Clinton Administration gave the world - a surplus of their economical balance - and an respect on the world state who GWB and CO managed to destroy in a mer year.... Even if Clinton do had his weird things when it came to use of a cigar and so one....

Good to se you too Jefferson23

Diclotican

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