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Dad Gives Son Rifle for 11th Birthday (Original Post) celtics23 Mar 2013 OP
It's a 22 caliber Rimfire formercia Mar 2013 #1
Or maybe Dad was being clever... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #3
But the Gun looks evil formercia Mar 2013 #5
your onto something RedstDem Mar 2013 #7
It is most certainly a .22LR, look at the ejection port and magazine. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #14
Why? otohara Mar 2013 #26
I think the bigger question is what does everyone think of the child welfare agency showing up Bay Boy Mar 2013 #2
Over-reaction perhaps formercia Mar 2013 #4
I'd be more upset if they showed up with a warrant... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #8
But they still try to Buffalo you formercia Mar 2013 #10
borderline RedstDem Mar 2013 #6
Good point about posting the picture on Facebook (or wherever) Bay Boy Mar 2013 #9
I don't mind that they came out. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #16
This makes gun nuts who are old farts happy their legacy will be passed on.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #11
I got a .22 bolt action rifle when I was 10. MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #12
Re: The lawyer on speed dial. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #13
Under a republican president, I think that's a prudent concern. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #15
I had to wait until I was 12. Before that I had to use my Dad's gun. Coyotl Mar 2013 #17
Disgusting. nt valerief Mar 2013 #18
It would be helpful to Bay Boy Mar 2013 #19
Republican pigs. For starters. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #23
That's even less helpful... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #24
Disgusting. nt valerief Mar 2013 #28
Well, that cleared it up Bay Boy Mar 2013 #29
The Dad posted this picture on the Internet...? jjewell Mar 2013 #20
Why didn't he just give him a pack of cigarettes instead. BVictor1 Mar 2013 #21
It isn't banned. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #22
There are legal ways for a minor Bay Boy Mar 2013 #25
? ScarletFyre Mar 2013 #27
in 90% of rural and small town America this would be considered normal Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #30
Exactly . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #32
if it were possible to wish away that whole gun and hunting culture - I would and it would disappear Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #34
Every fall here, pics of kids as young as 6-7, with guns and dead deer, are in the paper. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #33
Did you guys see what Faux News said about this story? Tanta Mar 2013 #31

formercia

(18,479 posts)
5. But the Gun looks evil
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:39 AM
Mar 2013


Perhaps a Cricket single-shot with a pink stock might not have seemed as threatening.
 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
7. your onto something
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:41 AM
Mar 2013

color all "assault" style rifles pink, and no one will care!
plus, what redneck will buy a pink gun?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. It is most certainly a .22LR, look at the ejection port and magazine.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:10 PM
Mar 2013

Still a firearm, but pretty normal first gun for a kid despite the 'tacticool' appearance.

My dad gave me a .30-06 about that age. Considerably less tacticool though, being a bolt action.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
2. I think the bigger question is what does everyone think of the child welfare agency showing up
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:25 AM
Mar 2013

at this family's house?

formercia

(18,479 posts)
4. Over-reaction perhaps
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:33 AM
Mar 2013

but it doesn't hurt to check.

I just don't like the idea of officials showing up without a warrant. There's too much of that going on Today.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
8. I'd be more upset if they showed up with a warrant...
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:41 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:29 PM - Edit history (1)

...without the warrant you can say 'No' at the door.

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
6. borderline
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:39 AM
Mar 2013

I would not be happy with social workers and cops in my house asking for anything.
but that's me.
i wouldn't have posted the picture on the internet either, so...shrug

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
9. Good point about posting the picture on Facebook (or wherever)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:43 AM
Mar 2013

it's not something I would have done. But if my son and I had been out squirrel hunting with it I could see posting pics of him holding his 'trophy' critters and the gun.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. I don't mind that they came out.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:13 PM
Mar 2013

I think it was a waste of resources in this case, but you never know.

What upsets me is that the pinhead child welfare worker thought she had the right to demand access to the firearms without a warrant. She should fucking well know better.

The cops that accompanied her did everything by the book, good job on their part.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
11. This makes gun nuts who are old farts happy their legacy will be passed on....
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:08 PM
Mar 2013

Now all this kid needs to do is hate the same things they hate and they can die happy.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
12. I got a .22 bolt action rifle when I was 10.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:23 PM
Mar 2013

Never went hunting with it.
Just paper targets, cans and bottles.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
13. Re: The lawyer on speed dial.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:47 PM
Mar 2013

I don't think David realizes just how demented these gun nuts have become.

Of course they have a 2nd amendment lawyer on call because they sit around thinking up ways the commie black guy is going to take their precious.

My goofy sister in law has a card she keeps in her wallet with a pre-printed "statement" to the police in the unlikely (read: please oh please let it happen) event she has to use second amendment solutions against a burglar. It has her lawyer's (probably some ambulance chaser who hang out a the range) phone number on it.

The card reads something like "I had to do what I had to do and I'm not talking without a lawyer. You, as someone who might use deadly force in your job, should understand bla bla bla, second, bla bla bla"

This is the same sister in law with gun stickers all over her car, gun stickers warning burglars, a lovely gun pointing in your face as her facebook pic, and nothing but guns all over facebook......

But she got upset when her niece took a picture of her gun. Doesn't want anyone to know she has guns.

She also thinks her brother (my partner) and I know too much because, get this, we could be tortured to reveal she has guns.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. I had to wait until I was 12. Before that I had to use my Dad's gun.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

I was pretty good at bring home dinner by the time I was a teenager. But I find this alarming because the gun is made to look like an AR. This is more "toy-like" than hunter-like, if a .22 can be called a toy version of a big gun.

I feel sorry for the kid growing up with that particular Dad though. We used guns for hunting, not for confrontational politics.

 

BVictor1

(229 posts)
21. Why didn't he just give him a pack of cigarettes instead.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:13 PM
Mar 2013

If kids can't buy liquor or guns or cigarettes before a certain age, how come giving that banned item as a gift is legal?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. It isn't banned.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:23 PM
Mar 2013

As for the comparison to liquor... Unclear. It is legal while under adult supervision. Specifically so. (for the firearm)

I do wonder if the law allows leeway for things like giving your kid a sip of champagne out of your glass on new years eve, etc.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
25. There are legal ways for a minor
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:02 PM
Mar 2013

to use a firearm. There is no way for a minor to use (consume) liquor. Although I do wonder if, for example, a minor could own (maybe inherit) a valuable investment type liquor.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
30. in 90% of rural and small town America this would be considered normal
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:39 PM
Mar 2013

and even a right of passage to many people. When I was growing up in a small town in northwestern PA - 12 was the normal age to go hunting for the first time and the first day of buck season was treated as a holiday - it always came on the first Monday after Thanksgiving - schools were closed, factories were closed and so were a lot of businesses - I didn't know until I was a bit older that the first day of buck season was not a national holiday

markpkessinger

(8,396 posts)
32. Exactly . . .
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 06:27 AM
Mar 2013

I grew up in north central PA (Clinton County), and for us, too, the first day of buck and doe seasons were school holidays. I mean, they could have opened, but close to 50% of students AND faculty would likely be absent, so what was the point? My dad and brother were both hunters, and at age 12, after attending the requisite hunter safety course, I, too, hunted for the first time. (I hunted for four years before deciding I really just didn't care for it all that much.) I grew up in a household where there was an assortment of rifles and shotguns. But lest anybody get the wrong impression, we were not a bunch of gun nuts. The guns we had were were kept securely locked away, and the ammunition was stored separately in an antique safe that only my parents had the combination to. My father drilled gun safety into us, to the point that we would get into trouble if he saw us so much as pointing even a toy gun at another person. And our family was fairly typical of most families in that town.

My uncle, Mark H. Kessinger, for whom I was named, died when I was 10. I inherited from him a .22 caliber, pump action rifle that had originally belonged to my great grandfather, who passed it on to my uncle. (It held something like 16 rounds in the magazine.) But until I was about 16, except for when we were hunting, I was only permitted to handle and/or shoot that gun, or any other gun, under my father's direct supervision.

Now, I fully support the various proposals for gun regulation, including the assault weapons ban, the large-capacity magazine ban, the background checks, etc. But i have to say, a lot of the pearl clutching that goes on about stories like this is simply ridiculous.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
34. if it were possible to wish away that whole gun and hunting culture - I would and it would disappear
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 04:44 PM
Mar 2013

tomorrow. But that is not possible. One has to face reality about what is changeable and what is not. And to be fair, the homicide rate and violent crime rate in small town and rural America is quite low. Granted the nationwide ability to acquire guns rather easily slips past the confines of the rural and small town areas and into the major metropolitan areas where homicide rates and violent crime rates are much higher. Still - rightly or wrongly- and personally I think wrongly small town and rural America are not going to give up their guns. A just and lasting peace will rein supreme in Jerusalem before those folks abandon their gun and hunting culture.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. Every fall here, pics of kids as young as 6-7, with guns and dead deer, are in the paper.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 02:49 PM
Mar 2013

Little Dick or Jane, smiling happily, posed with their camos, a rifle, and dead deer with headlines of
Lil Bubba Smith, son/daughter of __________, killed his/her first deer this week".

None of the guns looked like the one in the OP, tho.

Tanta

(42 posts)
31. Did you guys see what Faux News said about this story?
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:29 AM
Mar 2013

They are off in LA LA Land.

They are saying police RAIDED this house.

A buddy of mine sent me a video of Megyn Kelly on FAUX and this in a message:
"All news institutions biased reporting aside when you start to give up constitutional rights who's to say where to stop? We are seeing the government bully people into submission while at the same time not knowing the law."

I was like...hmm...ok...let me look again into this story. At no time I think their rights were trampled on.
Do I think the police overreacted? Yes, but that does not discount the fact that AGAIN I see this crap being twisted by the other side and people are buying it.
I went to this website:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/03/20/family-says-new-jersey-overreacted-to-boys-gun-photo-on-facebook/
CBS Local in Phili and it didn't have the word RAID in it at all and it didn't have any word of a raid at all, the same with Pakman who I am sure got all of his information from this article I just posted.

Damn, I swear...what the hell...

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