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DeSwiss

I do remember the Ti amen Square massacre - even though I was a little boy then - not even out of grade school - I think I was in 5th grade when it all happened... The massacre happened right before the Soviet premier Michael Gortatsjev was intended to visit PRC, as the first Soviet leader in decades.. And I guess the massacre was being made, just to ensure the idea of a peacefully PRC, and not a a di-versed China.. I guess the teargas and the bullets was cleaned up right up to the visit... And I guess the government of PRC still do not like even to have the issue put on the table - even 24 year after the fact. I doubt the current leadership in PRC will ever like to have it put on the table.. What really happened with many of the students - how many was executed -and how many was arrested and send to camps - where they still reside as punishment.. We know many had to flee - to Hong Kong or other places where they was safe from prosecution... And many of them have been rather outspoken of the leadership in PRC, to the irritation of the mainland government.. And they have tried their best, to either make them silent - in Hong Kong - or to get them arrested and put on a train back to mainland China.. But for the most cases, they have failed - as many of them have residence in Hong Kong, and can not be prosecuted for something that is accepted by the Hong Kong constitution and civil code.. Freedom of speech..

But it was the same year all the debacle happened in Europe - you know when the iron curton kind of dissolved on itself - and it could be somewhat difficult to follow it all.. Specially when you are not exactly allowed to look at the evening news in 5 grade But for some reasons, the things happening in PRC and in East Europe was something that I was allowed to follow.. To a degree at least..

Diclotican

...is at such a level that it now has the world in an uproar. And its about time. Tiananmen, Berlin and Tahir are the inexorable steps toward freedom.

- When it gets here, that's when we'll have our chance to become free.

DeSwiss

So true - the uproar is large in many parts of the world - and I suspect either they have to reform - or risk everything in the process.. Capitalism as we know it today, is broke, and deserve to be breaking up to tiny pieces - and something else build on the ruins.. Hopefully something that gives people a Chance of freedom - and a chance to govern themself...

It started when capitalism was de-regulated and have continued to be a illness who if festering more and more as time goes by - if capitalism have to survive at all - it have to reform - a lot - and to be regulated in a way they are not today.. And the criminals in the "business" need to be arrested - convicted and given lengthy prison times... Not just a slap on the wrist..

And in this - many heads of the IMF need to be put on trial - and if possible the organization should pay back parts of the money they have stolen from Greece this way... Of course the money need to be put to best use - at social programs and its like, not in the hands of a corrupt elite..

Diclotican

when they protest for democracy.

And this is the country all the capitalist want to ship their factories to. No wonder. Scared and bullied citizens make great workers to exploit.

...even so-called democratically styled republics are doing it.

fasttense

Im not so sure - angry workers tend to get enough im time - if course for a while scared and bullied citiziens make great workers to exploit - but in the end it can end rather nasty - as past regimes have discovered when enough is enough.. I guess the Romanian Dictator got that message, even as Securitate was torturing and bully the romanian citizens to obey the rulers - in the end it was not that a move, as finaly peopole got enough - and was not just tearing Securitate apart - but even shot their former leader...

Diclotican