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(5,376 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)Happy July 1984th?
nineteen50
(1,187 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The Fourth Amendment obliges the government to demonstrate probable cause before conducting invasive surveillance. There is simply no precedent under the Constitution for the governments seizing such vast amounts of revealing data on innocent Americans communications.
The government has made a mockery of that protection by relying on select Supreme Court cases, decided before the era of the public Internet and cellphones, to argue that citizens have no expectation of privacy in either phone metadata or in e-mails or other private electronic messages that it stores with third parties.
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We may never know all the details of the mass surveillance programs, but we know this: The administration has justified them through abuse of language, intentional evasion of statutory protections, secret, unreviewable investigative procedures and constitutional arguments that make a mockery of the governments professed concern with protecting Americans privacy. Its time to call the N.S.A.s mass surveillance programs what they are: criminal.
"The Criminal N.S.A." a New York Times op-ed, written by a couple of obvious hacks from obscure law schools. Jennifer Stisa Granick is the director of civil liberties at the Stanford Center for Internet and Society. Christopher Jon Sprigman is a professor at the University of Virginia School of Law.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)an American citizen? Is the Constitution a worthless piece of paper to secret societies?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/14/171901/-Bush-on-the-Constitution-It-s-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)bonniebgood
(943 posts)the NSA and Snowden information came out to the REAL REASON why congress, our Gov
is trying to kill/abolish the Post Office. The Post Office is the last shred of Privacy we have. It is
still a felony to 'tamper with the US Mail'. If the post office becomes private and run by
a corporation then there won't be a law called "tampering with the US Mail".
So, if you want to say something private to your Grandma you had better lick a .45 stamp
and envelope and send it by the US Mail.
Say Hello to snail mail.
mikeypooh
(9 posts)They're collecting the metadata of all snail mail too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?_r=3&
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/usps-spy.pdf
bonniebgood
(943 posts)contents of the letter. To and from "cover of envelope" are not meant or expected to be "private". Envelope addresses, mainly by zip codes, are scanned by machines in order to reach it's destination. Zip codes carry all the information, State, City, to Carrier route. The contents however, is another story. Its still illegal on its face for any agency to 'open and scan' your contents into a data base anywhere the same way your voice and email is openly recorded.
02potato
(175 posts)helpful links....
http://www.restorethefourth.net/protests/
http://www.restorethefourth.net/resources/
I'm off my butt "howboutu"
votesparks
(1,288 posts)in Dayton.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Snowden deserves an award.
Bush and Obama deserve jail.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)I'm afraid we'll all end up stuck with a pRe$ident oRangeman and vice-pRe$ident can'toR in about two years from now.
Or maybe they will be busted too?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)You've used No. 1 from the Official Distractivist Playbook and may qualify for membership in the Logical Fallacy Hall of Fame. (Void where prohibited.) Come on down and accept your bright and shiny Distractivist medal!!
The Official Distractivist Talking Points*
1. This is nothing new
2. I have nothing to hide
3. What are you, a freeper?
4. But Obama is better than Christie/Romney/Bush/Hitler
5. Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack
6. We have red light cameras, so this is no big deal
7. Corporations have my data anyway
8. At least Obama is trying
9. This is just the media trying to take Obama down
10. It's a misunderstanding/you are confused
11. You're a racist
12. Nobody cares about this anyway / "unfounded fears"
13. I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this
14. Other countries do it
* A tip of the hat to PSPS, from whom I got the original list.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)1. oRangeman/can'toR
2. oRangeman/tuRtleman
3. ?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)What a country!
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Good luck to our progressive goals if any of these cReepy tearorists enter the WH by the back door, since I can't tank something I don't believe in.
burnodo
(2,017 posts)No doubt
votesparks
(1,288 posts)and have been an elected union leader working for progressive causes. Hardly (while acknowledging your sarcasm).
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts). . . if opposing Obama over NSA spying is racism, is going after Glen Greenwald over exposing it homophobia?
No, we'll just let the Rahm Emanuel Marching Bank look silly without stooping to their level.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)I knew Professor Christopher Sprigman in HS (and junior HS), he actually went to the prom with Soledad O'Brian, both in my class of '84, lol.
To drop another name, in 7th grade, Chris starred in My Fair Lady, where he played Professor Higgins, where he played opposite the now well known author, Jodi Picoult, who was Eliza. Both did a tremendous job, I might add.
Some well known people came out of my grade