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votesparks

(1,288 posts)
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:45 AM Sep 2013

On the Religiosity of Gun Culture



The religiosity inherent in the worship of weapons and violence is a grave impediment to achieving the kind of society where classrooms full of third graders getting mowed down by bullets isn't just another instance of "meh".
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On the Religiosity of Gun Culture (Original Post) votesparks Sep 2013 OP
What is wrong with America that unlike any other advanced nation we went down this path coldmountain Sep 2013 #1
I have often wondered about a genetic component. FredStembottom Sep 2013 #3
There was a funny little cartoon segment in "Bowling for Columbine" that basically said this.. rwsanders Sep 2013 #6
great article heaven05 Sep 2013 #10
This guy really hates overweight people. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #2
Not at all votesparks Sep 2013 #4
Really? Listen to the venom in his voice as he describes them. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #5
But it's interesting that there is a correlation between physical appearance and gun nuttery, no? mwb970 Sep 2013 #9
I am not aware of a peer reviewed statistical correlation. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #11
What the fuck? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2013 #7
Self-defeating Chalfont Sep 2013 #8
Thanks shubham Sep 2013 #12
 

coldmountain

(802 posts)
1. What is wrong with America that unlike any other advanced nation we went down this path
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:08 PM
Sep 2013

I think it's because the old white guys that conquered this land from the Native Americans and exploited slave labor and other injustices all at the end of a gun indoctrinated a fear in their descendents that the tables could be turned if they are not strong and ruthless. This concepts has been called "folk Darwinism"

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Inside the conservative brain: What explains their wiring?

"At the turn of the twenty-first century, ethnographer Raphael Ezekiel discovered the same, naturalistic dangerous-world metaphors among extreme right-wing groups in the United States. Richard Butler, the leader of the Aryan Nations, used animals to describe his political convictions:

Of course, we know the jungle, that the lion will eat the rabbit, and a rabbit doesn’t have any right. He doesn’t have any right to life, he has a right to use the endowments that nature and the genetic program have, to save his life. In other words, to run down the hole when he sees something [stronger] coming after him, a coyote or something.

Tom Metzger, the leader of White Aryan Resistance, expressed a perception of human nature in which competition is taken to the extreme. Metzger believed that little had changed since Hobbes’s state of nature, since life remained a war pitting man against man: “either I am strong enough to defeat you or you will smash me. It’s simple,” he said."

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/15/inside_the_conservative_brain_what_explains_their_wiring/singleton/

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
3. I have often wondered about a genetic component.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:50 PM
Sep 2013

Early America was, among a lot of other things, a dumping ground of sociopaths from the Old World.
A lot of it was self exile, but still, people who just could not function inside a civilization made a bee-line for the anarchic Frontier that once was America.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
6. There was a funny little cartoon segment in "Bowling for Columbine" that basically said this..
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:06 PM
Sep 2013

it said the gun problem was all because "white people were afraid".

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. great article
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:59 AM
Sep 2013

and thanks for some truth on the origin of the gun owning insanity in america and the insanity bred by domination of people(s) "at the end of a gun" and perceived exceptionalism and entitlement based on race. We went wrong as a nation long ago and never recovered our national moral center. How do I know? The politics of the right wing today, starving the poor as one example, denying healthcare possibilities to people who really need it as another. This is all the proof I'll EVER need. The RW gun humper, in america is an evil, irrational creature that will shoot up schools, theaters, workplaces and unarmed young people on a deranged agenda driven by an insane whim or notion of persecution or whatever. America is very sick, socially and racially.

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
4. Not at all
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:51 PM
Sep 2013

I just don't like the Sgt. Rock vision of themselves that so many gun lovers have, as compared to the Mountain Dew reality.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
5. Really? Listen to the venom in his voice as he describes them.
Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

That's pretty powerful hate there. So what if they're overweight. (Not all are, of course)

Can we stay on topic of whether open carry is a good idea or not, and leave weight out of it?

mwb970

(11,367 posts)
9. But it's interesting that there is a correlation between physical appearance and gun nuttery, no?
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 07:44 AM
Sep 2013

We had an incident in the Columbus area recently where a gun humper showed up at the Dublin (Ohio) Irish Festival with his handgun strapped on his hip, demanding to be let in. (He was turned away.) The photo accompanying the article revealed the guy to be an aging, paunchy, dopy-looking balding white man. Looking at the photo, I suddenly realized that MOST OF THESE PEOPLE LOOK JUST LIKE THIS GUY. I swear, if you put them all in a room together (not a bad idea, if the door has a sturdy lock) you would not be able to tell them apart!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. I am not aware of a peer reviewed statistical correlation.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:09 AM
Sep 2013

The 'Time to water the tree' guy, and the asshole that showed up to an Obama political rally with an AR-15 on his shoulder, were both fairly fit looking people.

Obesity is a disease. I can understand people with a strong reaction to open carry, and people comporting themselves in assholish ways. But railing them for their weight seems to cross a line for me. Maybe these are people who could use help, rather than derision.

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