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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 04:23 PM Oct 2013

Todd Friel (Unwisely) Interviews Christopher Hitchens about God and tries to trap him.. but

I don't much care for Christopher Hitchens - I think he was a pompous ass and a war monger with an outlandishly dogmatic version of atheism - but to give the devil his dues - this is really good.



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Todd Friel (Unwisely) Interviews Christopher Hitchens about God and tries to trap him.. but (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 OP
k&r idwiyo Oct 2013 #1
Did this guy seriously try to convert Hitchens? nyquil_man Oct 2013 #2
It's hard to call Hitchens pompous Warpy Oct 2013 #3
Wow. What childish questions. BlueStreak Oct 2013 #4
you will either believe in God/Higher Power at some point in your life, or you won't Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #5
I'm not a devout gambler shebornik Oct 2013 #6
That has to be one of the most nonsensensible exchanges I have ever heard. lumpy Oct 2013 #7
Sounds like this Todd Friel Guy... canuckledragger Oct 2013 #8
These fundie nuts are hilarious! BootinUp Oct 2013 #9
I got one more what if, question. papa3times Oct 2013 #10
why oh why do they still come for us.. juxtaposed Oct 2013 #11
Its strange ... I have had fundies ask me if I have been saved... yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #12
Tell me about it.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #14
Singe a few Laochtine Oct 2013 #28
That whole "servile" thing is the reason the American Revolution was fought.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #13
I can't believe both of them would throw away their eternity by not believing in Xenu Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #15
One of my favorite Hitch moments...out of many. Missn-Hitch Oct 2013 #16
I lost respect for Hitchens when he announced he was anti-choice. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #17
He was also a bit of an Islamophobe. Sky Masterson Oct 2013 #20
I'm sorry he's gone... jjewell Oct 2013 #18
That was a great listen! Sky Masterson Oct 2013 #19
Wretched Radio is certainly an appropriate name deutsey Oct 2013 #21
y'know, i'm not even gonna listen. i dislike hitchens. and i'm sure the other guy has nothing. KG Oct 2013 #22
I doubt very much that the average fundamentalist listening to this would realize that Hitchen got Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #23
Agreed. suzanner Oct 2013 #25
"Although I'm not sure you know, quite what you're talking about" DefenseLawyer Oct 2013 #24
Friel has a quite bizarre TV show. djean111 Oct 2013 #26
"I'm glad you think its a *game*, btw; I rather agree with you." Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #27

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
3. It's hard to call Hitchens pompous
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:00 PM
Oct 2013

when he's up against somebody that glib and smarmy who is unbearably pompous, himself.

I'm surprised Hitch gave this little zit the time of day.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. Wow. What childish questions.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:07 PM
Oct 2013

But come to think of it, that's pretty much the best that religion has. Just a bunch of nonsensical "what if" games.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
5. you will either believe in God/Higher Power at some point in your life, or you won't
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:17 PM
Oct 2013

I see no point in trying to play gotcha with someone. it's typically the act of a fundamentalist. Let me guess, that guy loves Kirk Cameron. lol

edit to state, I believe in God.

canuckledragger

(1,641 posts)
8. Sounds like this Todd Friel Guy...
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 06:45 PM
Oct 2013

...just makes it up the rules and 're-interprets' them as he goes along trying to trap him.

Naughty theist, isn't that lying in one form or another?

papa3times

(150 posts)
10. I got one more what if, question.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 07:26 PM
Oct 2013

What if this guy asked one more stupid question traveling at the speed of light? Would it ever catch up to the previous question also traveling at the speed of light?

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
11. why oh why do they still come for us..
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 07:27 PM
Oct 2013

god has never been a part of my life. 5-6 years old i made my choice.
I sit back and let them fight, but I do not want to be a part of it,,,,,,,,,,

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
12. Its strange ... I have had fundies ask me if I have been saved...
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:10 PM
Oct 2013

I tell them I am Buddhist, and watch them cross themselves as if they just met a Satanist.. I keep telling them, its different from you, that's what makes the world go round...but they won't buy it...

They have to save me, right freaking now before I explode into a ball of flame before their very eyes.

I am so glad where I live there are mostly non Christians.. so they don't have to chase me down the street swinging their good books in my direction.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. Tell me about it....
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:30 PM
Oct 2013

They figure if you aren't a follower of Jesus it's because you haven't HEARD of him.

I had a girlfriend with a VERY twisted sense of humor (like me) and we played a game with some door to door Bible thumpers once.

We played like we never heard of some guy named "Jesus" before in our lives. It was everything I could do to keep a straight face as she said things like, "Bethlehem? Isn't that in Pennsylvania?" and I said, "No. I think it's out by Van Nuys."

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
13. That whole "servile" thing is the reason the American Revolution was fought....
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:22 PM
Oct 2013

In addition, the whole "human sacrifice" thing is laid bare.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
15. I can't believe both of them would throw away their eternity by not believing in Xenu
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 08:46 PM
Oct 2013

Yeah, that's right Todd, just because you're dumber than a bag of rocks doesn't mean you have an exclusive on silly irrational mythology.

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
17. I lost respect for Hitchens when he announced he was anti-choice.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 03:19 AM
Oct 2013

That video demonstrates his hypocrisy. He rightfully asserts that he should be left to be autonomous, not told how to live his personal life by some tyrannical being. Yet, he would force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term and give birth against her will.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
20. He was also a bit of an Islamophobe.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 06:14 AM
Oct 2013

Lets face it. He was kind of a dick.
When I agreed with him, I really really agreed with him.
When I didn't, I really really didn't.
I loved the Chris Hitchens that I heard in the video above.
I wish he was still around.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
21. Wretched Radio is certainly an appropriate name
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 07:20 AM
Oct 2013

I'm not a fan of Hitchens, but I liked how he carried himself here. This Friel guy (I've never heard of him) came off as a smarmy jerk.

When I googled him, I saw that he's in with the Kirk Cameron crowd of crazies.

I disagreed with Hitchens on a lot of things, but I always respected his honesty and his willingness to engage just about anyone, even morons like Friel.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
23. I doubt very much that the average fundamentalist listening to this would realize that Hitchen got
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 09:49 AM
Oct 2013

Last edited Sun Oct 20, 2013, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

the better of Todd Friel in the interview. Most would be so loaded with their own assumptions that Hitchen's clever points would simply sound crazy to them

suzanner

(590 posts)
25. Agreed.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 11:11 AM
Oct 2013

Organized- particularly evangelical/ fundamental Christian- religion has couched itself in an elitism, using anticipatory reward (worldly riches, 'heavenly' future post death) as the carrot while taking their money for itself as a secretly for-profit institution. I did appreciate that Hitchens did not ever get sucked into appeasement. That is what, in my mind, makes him brilliant or superior. Ed Schultz, Mike Papantonio, and a few others also have that.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
24. "Although I'm not sure you know, quite what you're talking about"
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 10:31 AM
Oct 2013

It's a shame that Hitchens got himself bogged down in all that war mongering at the end; he was at his best in a forum like this.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. Friel has a quite bizarre TV show.
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 11:39 AM
Oct 2013

And I believe Friel felt he quite got the better of Hitchens in this exchange.

Like others have said, I agreed with Hitchens sometimes, and disagreed violently at other times. And who can say how Hitchens would have thought about things today?
I do remember how pissy Greenwald got when Hitchens died and some remembered SOME of Hitchens' writings and stances fondly - even though people clearly said they disagreed with Hitchens on some things, but thought other stances of his were right on, Greenwald was furious that anyone eulogized Hitchens at all - kind of Thought Police-y, really, just don't read anything about Hitchens. Easy peasey.

But, much as I disagreed with the pettiness of objecting to anything nice said about Hitchens, I appreciate what GG is telling us now about the NSA. I don't discount it because I dislike other things he has written.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
27. "I'm glad you think its a *game*, btw; I rather agree with you."
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 12:01 PM
Oct 2013

There never was.... and never will be... another like CH.

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