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Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:31 AM Oct 2013

NSA - 'Stop Watching Us': a must see PSA condemning the NSA for its Unconstitutional (illegal) acts

...Oliver Stone and John Cusack are no fans of the National Security Agency. They appear with Maggie Gyllenhaal, Wil Wheaton and Phil Donahue in a new public service announcement decrying the NSA's surveillance tactics on Americans.

"Every American is at risk of getting caught up in the NSA dragnet," Stone said, with Cusack adding, "including ordinary citizens not suspected of a crime."

The PSA also includes social activists, scholars and NSA whistleblowers, many of whom draw parallels with today's monitoring to the way Richard Nixon spied on journalists and political foes during his presidency.

"It was wrong then and it's wrong now," Cusack says in the PSA, which was produced in the lead-up to the Stop Watching Us: Rally Against Mass Surveillance in Washington, D.C. on Saturday...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57609155/oliver-stone-john-cusack-star-in-anti-nsa-psa


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NSA - 'Stop Watching Us': a must see PSA condemning the NSA for its Unconstitutional (illegal) acts (Original Post) Indi Guy Oct 2013 OP
The NSA's actions have already been ruled legal: Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #1
Legal maybe, but not legitimate BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #2
So was Citizen's United, and returning Dred Scott to his owner MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #4
From your article... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #8
Why are there only 3 recs thus far? MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #3
Because this was posted yesterday by someone else? marble falls Oct 2013 #6
I mightily agree with the sentiment MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #5
What would you have said and/or done to make a greater impact? n/t Indi Guy Oct 2013 #9
The use of the word 'our' instead of 'my' JimDandy Oct 2013 #14
No one is coming after you. stonecutter357 Oct 2013 #7
Care to define "coming after you" MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #10
If "coming after you" means... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #11
Indi Guy... MrMickeysMom Oct 2013 #12
Yeah. Indi Guy Oct 2013 #13

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
1. The NSA's actions have already been ruled legal:
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:53 AM
Oct 2013
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/09/17/claire_eagan_fisc_how_surveillance_court_ruled_the_nsa_s_domestic_snooping.html



On Tuesday, a previously top-secret opinion and order signed off by Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Judge Claire Eagan was published. The opinion, dated Aug. 29, shows how the court decided to deem the NSA’s mass collection of domestic phone records constitutional and in line with section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the government to secretly grab so-called “business records.” The NSA’s operation of a vast database storing metadata on millions of calls made by Americans daily was first revealed by the Guardian in June, based on documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. The release of the court opinion and order on the phone records program comes after a declassification review of the secret legal files was conducted, primarily due to the huge backlash prompted by Snowden’s leaks.

The opinion shows that the court is relying on a Supreme Court case from 1979 to conclude that the bulk collection of phone records is not a violation of the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures. In Smith v. Maryland, at issue was the warrantless monitoring of a robbery suspect’s phone calls. The Supreme Court judges in Smith found that the monitoring was permissible because “a person has no legitimate expectation of privacy in information he voluntarily turns over to third parties” and that they doubted “people in general entertain any actual expectation of privacy in the numbers they dial.” Grounded in the same logic, the newly released FISC opinion states:

In sum, because the application at issue here concerns only the production of call detail records or "telephone metadata" belonging to a telephone company, and not the contents of communications, Smith v. Maryland compels the conclusion that there is no Fourth Amendment impediment to the collection. Furthermore, for the reasons stated in [REDACTED] and discussed above, this Court finds that that the volume of records being acquired does not alter this conclusion.

Aside from the bizarre redaction here, which appears to have censored a crucial detail for inexplicable reasons, the reliance on Smith v. Maryland is contentious. The 1979 case concerned the monitoring of a single individual, already a criminal suspect, for a period of only a few days. The NSA’s metadata program involves the daily mass collection of billions of phone records from millions of Americans not suspected of committing any crime. These records can be mined using sophisticated software that draws relationships between people, and they can be used to conduct retrospective surveillance of people dating back several years. This raises constitutional questions that were simply not a consideration in the Maryland case more than three decades ago.

Notably, the opinion also indicates that no company that was ordered to turn over the bulk metadata has challenged its legality in the court, despite having the ability to do so.

The publication of the legal documents will add fuel to the already simmering debate about the phone records program, which several lawmakers have blasted since it was revealed in June. According to the ACLU, there are at least 19 NSA-related bills are pending in Congress, with some of them aimed at reforming and effectively shutting down the phone records database in its current form. Last week, separately released documents about the phone records program showed how the NSA had unlawfully violated court rules governing the use of the database, while providing the court false information about how it was being operated for a period of almost three years.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. So was Citizen's United, and returning Dred Scott to his owner
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:14 AM
Oct 2013

How do you feel about *those* decisions?

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
8. From your article...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:05 PM
Oct 2013
Last week, separately released documents about the phone records program showed how the NSA had unlawfully violated court rules governing the use of the database, while providing the court false information about how it was being operated for a period of almost three years.


If I were to unlawfully violate court rules, and purger myself before said court -- wouldn't my actions properly be deemed "illegal," and would I not be subject to the commensurate consequences of such actions?

Will someone please explain how the NSA's actions are not patently illegal?

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
3. Why are there only 3 recs thus far?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:12 AM
Oct 2013

The balance of powers are lopsided and the answer regarding NSA as testified to Congress was a LIE.

Is this not a crime?

Is it a crime to invade privacy for no due process?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
14. The use of the word 'our' instead of 'my'
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 10:57 PM
Oct 2013

was weak and made it sound like someone else's problem.

They should have said 'my data', 'my texts' and overlaid the words across the screen shot of data.

'EVERTHING I do everyday online' is...

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
11. If "coming after you" means...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:22 PM
Oct 2013

...sifting through the undie drawer (figuratively), the NSA's already come after all of us.

It never fails to astound me when invasion of privacy is viewed as a victimless crime.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
12. Indi Guy...
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oct 2013

I'd say if this thread is any indication, the real worry comes in when they're half way up our rectum.

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