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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
1. I'm confused. I thought that the sea level rise was primarily driven by
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:05 PM
Dec 2013

the warming, and therefore expanding, of the water itself, NOT by the additional water being freed up by melting ice. This video seems to say the opposite -- that sea level rise is the product of melting ice.

Which is it?

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. The sea level rise is caused by the warming.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:23 PM
Dec 2013

Partly by the expansion of the warmer seas, but mostly by the melting of the polar ice caps. All that water locked up in the ice sheets above sea level, melting and flowing into the oceans. That is a lot of water.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
6. Exactly. And that is why Greenland is so important. That is A MILE thick
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:46 PM
Dec 2013

sitting on ground above sea level. When that melts, it all goes into the ocean. That is potentially 27 meters of rise worldwide.

Now, like the mastadons, we can just move inland. But the coasts are where most people live. And a lot of people are going to die in the process because we won't make the move inland until floods force that. And as we have seen with Super Storm Sandy and Typhoon Haiyan, it isn't the average sea level that gets you. it is the fact that the next surge is bigger than the last with no end in sight.

We are way past the point that any of us will live to see the reversal of this problem. The best we can hope for now is to slow it down a little and hope for a more enlightened population after we are all gone.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
8. It is not a picnic for Florida either.
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:18 PM
Dec 2013

This picture is something that the younger of us here could see DURING their lifetime with the red spots being underwater.

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
10. Greenland is about 22 feet of potential SLR
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:33 PM
Dec 2013



still a lot, but not 27 meters.
it's 3 times the size of texas - but Antarctica is 10 times bigger.
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
14. I was referring to the entire melt, not just Greenland
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:44 PM
Dec 2013

As Greenland melts, the same thing happens all over the world, including Antarctica, so the total rise possible is about 70 meters.

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/quickfacts.html

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
16. right, that might be
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 06:49 PM
Dec 2013

if all of antarctica were to melt, that would be 70 meters or so,
but that is not realistic. still, even a few meters would be devastating.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
17. Actually it IS realistic. Consensus is starting to change on that
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 07:18 PM
Dec 2013

Look how much the consensus has moved even in the past 10 years. This thing is accelerating rapidly. I agree that not every bit of ice worldwide will melt. The highest mountains in the more extreme latitudes will keep some of their glacial ice, and some will remain in Antarctica. And this process that was once thought to span many centuries is now looking like we are talking generations instead of centuries. That still isn't overnight, and most of us will not see Miami go completely underwater, but it is moving MUCH faster than anybody believed possible 20 years ago.

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
9. thermal expansion has made up most of the warming up to now
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:30 PM
Dec 2013

more on the thermal aspect here



thermal expansion has been about 60 percent or so, maybe 2/3, up to this point. That ratio is changing as ice sheets speed up.

see also

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
3. This seems to mean that with high CO2 you get melting and then a short Ice Age to follow
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dec 2013

and with CO2 and Methane you get something else that the graph goes back to if extended.

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
12. it would take hundreds of thousands of years for the cO2 levels to drop
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:36 PM
Dec 2013

enough so that you'd have an ice age.
that is, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, depending on how high we go.
There is no going back on any time scale relevant to humans.

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