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Related: About this forumKiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape
There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition, Paet said during the conversation.
I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didnt pick that up, thats interesting. Gosh, Ashton answered.
The call took place after Estonias Foreign Minister Urmas Paet visited Kiev on February 25 at the peak of clashes between the pro-EU protesters and security forces in the Ukrainian capital.
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Ashton reacted to the information by saying: Well, yeah thats, thats terrible.
So that she then also showed me some photos she said that as a medical doctor she can say that it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and its really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they dont want to investigate what exactly happened, Paet said.
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
Snipers began shooting into the crowd on February 22 in Maidan or Independence Square. Panic ensued and riot police retreated in panic according to eyewitnesses. The opposition leader Vitali Klitschko withdrew from the deal, no reason given. Yanukovich fled Kiev.[3]
The question unanswered until now is who deployed the snipers? According to veteran US intelligence sources, the snipers came from an ultra-right-wing military organization known as Ukrainian National Assembly Ukrainian Peoples Self-Defense (UNA-UNSO).
The leader of UNA-UNSO, Andriy Shkil, ten years ago became an adviser to Julia Tymoshenko. UNA-UNSO, during the US-instigated 2003-2004 Orange Revolution, backed pro-NATO candidate Viktor Yushchenko against his pro-Russian opponent, Yanukovich. UNA-UNSO members provided security for the supporters of Yushchenko and Julia Tymoshenko on Independence Square in Kiev in 2003-4.[4]
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37803.htm
The question unanswered until now is who deployed the snipers? According to veteran US intelligence sources, the snipers came from an ultra-right-wing military organization known as Ukrainian National Assembly Ukrainian Peoples Self-Defense (UNA-UNSO).
The leader of UNA-UNSO, Andriy Shkil, ten years ago became an adviser to Julia Tymoshenko. UNA-UNSO, during the US-instigated 2003-2004 Orange Revolution, backed pro-NATO candidate Viktor Yushchenko against his pro-Russian opponent, Yanukovich. UNA-UNSO members provided security for the supporters of Yushchenko and Julia Tymoshenko on Independence Square in Kiev in 2003-4.[4]
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37803.htm
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Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape (Original Post)
jakeXT
Mar 2014
OP
thereismore
(13,326 posts)1. Not by Maidan leaders - maybe one rightwing nationalist fraction.
This is far from certain, but it needs to be investigated.
levp
(188 posts)2. So what does this call tape prove exactly?
Except that neither of them know who did it and they both want to investigate?
"According to veteran US intelligence sources, the snipers came from an ultra-right-wing military organization known as Ukrainian National Assembly"
Come on, unproven anonymous sources (cited in a seriously biased pro-Russian article)?
Makai
(1 post)3. The truth is out now!
levp
(188 posts)4. Same question for you
as for the OP (see above)
Also, citing RT to prove that Russians are right is just as ironic as Kerry talking about war pretenses.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)5. No, OP is citing the phone conversation... which has been authenticated. nt
levp
(188 posts)6. Agreed - it is an actual recording.
But the conversation does not present any proof, just a thought and the desire to investigate. That's not a proof of anything (just like the vial that Secretary Powell has shown in the UN was not a proof).
For example, Ukrainians claim to have proof that it was a non-Ukrainian "third force":
UNIAN
"I think the time will come and we will make public the facts: who shot, when and by whose orders. The facts are now being collected into a single chain. I can only say one thing, the key factor in this confrontation that resulted in the slaughter of Kiev, which turned the front of its head and imposed a state of shock, was the third force. And this force - non-Ukrainian. I want us to understand it all clearly, "- said Avakov."
(link text in Ukrainian, Google Translate results corrected in italics)
levp
(188 posts)7. "Ministry rejected a claim"
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
"However, in a statement on March 5 the ministry rejected a claim Paet was giving an assessment of the new Ukrainian coalition's involvement in deadly street violence in Kyiv.
The statement said the conversation between Ashton and Paet took place February 26 after the minister returned from a visit to Kyiv.
The ministry said Paet was giving an "overview of what he had heard" in the Ukrainian capital.
During the conversation, Paet says there are suspicions in Kyiv that someone from the new coalition might have been behind snipers who shot dead "people from both sides."
Some Russian media interpreted Paet's remark as his confirmation of a "link between the snipers in Maidan and leaders of [the then-]opposition."
The statement quotes Paet as saying it was "not a coincidence" the phone call was intercepted and posted on the Internet."