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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 09:59 PM Mar 2014

Crimea's "fait accompli" ...Will the People of Crimea Have a Right to Self Determination? (3/10)




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Will the people of Crimea have a right to self-determination? What is Europe's attitude to Ukrainian radicals? And will Ukraine ever solve its economic problems? CrossTalking with Ben Aris, Mark Sleboda and Patrick Henningsen. ... March 10, 2014 02:30 12

http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/crimea-determination-radicals-europe-822/
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Crimea's "fait accompli" ...Will the People of Crimea Have a Right to Self Determination? (3/10) (Original Post) KoKo Mar 2014 OP
Russian forces on move today in Crimea, seize military hospital in Simferopol and base in Bakhchisar levp Mar 2014 #1
Thanks for posting that Koko. zeemike Mar 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Mar 2014 #3
And I agree with your analysis. zeemike Mar 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Mar 2014 #9
Overall I think that we agree... blackspade Mar 2014 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Mar 2014 #7
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. blackspade Mar 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author goziosskiy Mar 2014 #10
Here's another "Crosstalk" video on the Ukraine I found interesting: snappyturtle Mar 2014 #6
Thanks snappyturtle. Bookmarked to watch in a few minutes Catherina Mar 2014 #11
I think Cross Talk is excellent too! snappyturtle Mar 2014 #12
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levp

(188 posts)
1. Russian forces on move today in Crimea, seize military hospital in Simferopol and base in Bakhchisar
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:41 PM
Mar 2014

And while RT is doing the talk, soldiers are doing the walk:

Russian forces on move today in Crimea, seize military hospital in Simferopol and base in Bakhchisaray

SIMFEROPOL, Crimea -- Russian forces have taken over Ukraine's main military hospital in Simferopol today and a military transport base in Bakhchysari as the Kremlin's military operation stayed on the offensive at strategic locations in the peninsula.

The Russian move to consolidate their hold on Ukraine's Crimea peninsula comes ahead of a referendum on March 16 that will ask voters in the two-million person peninsula to vote for independence from Ukraine and to rejoin Russia.

Some 20-30 men in military uniforms captured the military hospital at about noon today. They carried truncheons and threatened hospital workers and some 30 patients, who are Ukrainian soldiers or veterans.

Response to zeemike (Reply #2)

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
4. And I agree with your analysis.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:45 AM
Mar 2014

And I like the idea of getting another point of view from RT, because it is clear to me our media has become a mouthpiece for propaganda, and perhaps RT is one too but at least we get to hear another opinion.

And welcome to DU, and thinks for giving us another point of view from "over there"

Response to zeemike (Reply #4)

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
5. Overall I think that we agree...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:54 PM
Mar 2014

I have a different take on your point three:
There is a sense of false equivalency in the discussion of the actions of the US/EU and the Russian Federation.
Even if we accept that the US/EU toppled the pro-Russian government in order to gain some economic access (thus far the only meme that makes any remote sense), what the Russians are doing goes well beyond merely toppling a government.
The EU/US is not occupying Ukraine by landing troops and seizing the infrastructure. You could argue that they are economically occupying it, but that is far from a done deal (given the US track record with these types of interventions, it will end badly).
On the other hand we have the Russians, who in their desire for their piece of the Ukrainian economic pie were not content to economically invade the Crimea and eastern Ukraine went a step further by just annexing it via a puppet regime of their own.
They are not just securing the Crimea, but are destroying the territorial integrity of a neighboring country in violation of multiple treaties that they signed off on. This is a convenient outcome of the unrest.
The Crimea is gone. The Russians won't return it and international community will not be able to do squat about it.

Response to blackspade (Reply #5)

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
8. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 04:34 PM
Mar 2014

I really don't have an issue with Crimea having a referendum either given the history.
My sole issue is the Russian coercion as part of the process.
If Crimea wants to be independent, or a member of the Russian Federation, it needs to be done in the absence of Russian troops and pro-Russian right wing Crimean thugs.

Response to blackspade (Reply #8)

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
11. Thanks snappyturtle. Bookmarked to watch in a few minutes
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 03:00 PM
Mar 2014

Cross Talk deserves more awards for its excellent discussions

Response to snappyturtle (Reply #6)

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