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Will the people of Crimea have a right to self-determination? What is Europe's attitude to Ukrainian radicals? And will Ukraine ever solve its economic problems? CrossTalking with Ben Aris, Mark Sleboda and Patrick Henningsen. ... March 10, 2014 02:30 12
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/crimea-determination-radicals-europe-822/
levp
(188 posts)And while RT is doing the talk, soldiers are doing the walk:
Russian forces on move today in Crimea, seize military hospital in Simferopol and base in Bakhchisaray
SIMFEROPOL, Crimea -- Russian forces have taken over Ukraine's main military hospital in Simferopol today and a military transport base in Bakhchysari as the Kremlin's military operation stayed on the offensive at strategic locations in the peninsula.
The Russian move to consolidate their hold on Ukraine's Crimea peninsula comes ahead of a referendum on March 16 that will ask voters in the two-million person peninsula to vote for independence from Ukraine and to rejoin Russia.
Some 20-30 men in military uniforms captured the military hospital at about noon today. They carried truncheons and threatened hospital workers and some 30 patients, who are Ukrainian soldiers or veterans.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)An interesting perspective.
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zeemike
(18,998 posts)And I like the idea of getting another point of view from RT, because it is clear to me our media has become a mouthpiece for propaganda, and perhaps RT is one too but at least we get to hear another opinion.
And welcome to DU, and thinks for giving us another point of view from "over there"
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blackspade
(10,056 posts)I have a different take on your point three:
There is a sense of false equivalency in the discussion of the actions of the US/EU and the Russian Federation.
Even if we accept that the US/EU toppled the pro-Russian government in order to gain some economic access (thus far the only meme that makes any remote sense), what the Russians are doing goes well beyond merely toppling a government.
The EU/US is not occupying Ukraine by landing troops and seizing the infrastructure. You could argue that they are economically occupying it, but that is far from a done deal (given the US track record with these types of interventions, it will end badly).
On the other hand we have the Russians, who in their desire for their piece of the Ukrainian economic pie were not content to economically invade the Crimea and eastern Ukraine went a step further by just annexing it via a puppet regime of their own.
They are not just securing the Crimea, but are destroying the territorial integrity of a neighboring country in violation of multiple treaties that they signed off on. This is a convenient outcome of the unrest.
The Crimea is gone. The Russians won't return it and international community will not be able to do squat about it.
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blackspade
(10,056 posts)I really don't have an issue with Crimea having a referendum either given the history.
My sole issue is the Russian coercion as part of the process.
If Crimea wants to be independent, or a member of the Russian Federation, it needs to be done in the absence of Russian troops and pro-Russian right wing Crimean thugs.
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snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Cross Talk deserves more awards for its excellent discussions
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