Simply put---there were no injuries and no blood.

The officer searching Zimmerman at the station wore no gloves which would be a requirement if blood was spotted.

Took Zimmermans clothes for evidence. They are being tested at the FDLE Crime Lab. They also have sworn statements from the Paramedics on scene regarding the first aid they gave Zimmerman. The FDLE also has Trevans clothes and they are being examined for evidence at the crime lab.. The new special prosecutors will be able to match the forensic evidence to Zimmermans alibi. Then they will put their case together and present it to the Grand Jury for indictment. For Murder 1 I think the law requires it but am not positive. The state atty. that recused did not have the evidence on the first night. The truth will out.

I think he's arrested within the next couple of days.

I think they will wait for the Grand Jury. They want to have an airtight case. They are worried about another Casey Anthony disaster in the media. Do not forget this is the same Circuit that Jose Baez lurks in. But I am just speculating. They also have to get all the phone records and give Holder time to investigate the Sanford PD. They have to wait for forensics reports. They have to match the timeline from all the 911 calls, Trevans girlfriends phone records. A lot of work before arresting. If there is a case they can make they have to get it right before Nancy Grace gets revved up. They have to charge it in a way that guarantees conviction. Once arrested the Media Trial Reptiles will go berserk.

But why would the video of Zimmerman have been released to the media?

Or was it leaked to the media? Thanks.

Not released by the police. Someone used a video recorder of some sort to film the police monitor files and snuck it out to the news media. It is obvious due to the fact that the scene moves. It is not the original Police recording.

That guy also has an undertaker as an expert witness on forensics.

Sorry your expert pronouncement turned out to be bullshit, but there's no reason for the reporter to lie.

And I am not an expert. And I may be wrong. But i am not attempting to Bullshit. In fact I am not well informed on video & multimedia. Am counting on those here that are.

I take no offense. I feel kinda bad because a kid has been killed and I am thinking in a clinical way. The pain for his Mom must be severe. But our system needs big help too and affects so many more.

Go to the top and watch the video. The video is from a stationary police security monitor. Watch the shaking of the frame. This is caused by a hand held device filming the monitor replay. At one point the filmer moves to the left and you can see the edge of the monitor he is filming with his hand held device. This is a video of a video. Not a copy. The police would release a true copy if they were to release it.

Have to review it further.

The site Daily Caller has it. I just saw it then played the link above. The wound is visible as Zimmerman is between the Police Car and the Motorcycle. It is even apparent in the link above if you are looking for it. It is in his Bald Spot. About 3 inches long running vertical Very apparent but only for a second.. So what we have is a Video of a Video that shows the Head Wound. The reporting on this is atrocious. ABC must have a source inside Sanford PD. This casts a shadow over the coverage if true. Many may end up embarrassed.

His bald spot. Right when he pauses for a second at the Black Line on the floor as he is walking from the cruiser toward the first Motorcycle. You can see it. For sure. The web site Daily Caller has a freeze frame of it. But it is visible in the one above. It is there.
I do not claim he is innocent. I am developing my theory based on speculation. I am going to write a school paper on this. Then when the actual evidence comes out I will compare my theory with what can be proven.

of his other injuries, standard procedures, No wounds, no pictures. I will wait until I see the evidence.

make out any head wound. (I stopped the tape too). Maybe your vision is better than mine but even with stopped motion I couldn't see any head wound. If he was supposed to have his head pounded on sidewalk, why would there be grass stains (also not viewable on video) on back of his jacket???

Can you freeze the tape on the above video?

No doubt it could be. But on the caller website they freeze it and it appears to be an injury. Appears to. And now an real copy actually put out by the police is showing on CNN. But that part they cut. ???? I think Judge Sharpton is in Hot Water.

one of the neighbors says something about the one in the grey shirt standing over the other one
possibly the police let him put on a jacket, it was raining

But they had the video enhanced...they claim... and it shows a cut..or possible cut in his bald spot. They may be faking it. or it could be something else. But it sure looks real. If faked they will be exposed. But NBC is also in the mix along with ABC. They claim the exact opposite. Do you think that the Caller site is faking the video? And do you think Zimmerman did not have a cut? My opinion from what I have been able to find out, and I have been doing a lot of digging, is that he most likely did have a cut. TX for the info.

They have a RW agenda and will twist, manipulate and, yes, lie to achieve their goal.

Here's a good example of what else they are currently pushing as BS propaganda:
http://www.mediaite.com/columnists/daily-caller-links-president-obamas-trayvon-martin-remarks-to-black-panthers/


That any DU'er would post something from them as a source of information rather than as an example of disinfo is appalling.

Group the experts say it is a lens defect. I am sorry you are offended. But it is there. Also I do not say it is true just that it looks like a cut. What do you think? He has no cut? It is disinformation on purpose? If so they will have a huge problem. I personally think he has a cut. But not because of the Caller. I have only been here for a little while and guess I am not on the line in all ways. But am liking the communication. Maybe my points of view can be helpful. I hope The link is self explanatory slanted. Jeez. ...TX

why do you choose to post it as evidence of anything, particularly here on a site that is opposed to RW propaganda?

Just saw this article which exposes much of what they're been doing:

Bloggers Cherry-Pick From Social Media to Cast Trayvon Martin as a Menace

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/bloggers-cherry-pick-from-social-media-to-cast-trayvon-martin-as-a-menace/


And now we have this other dreck actually posted on DU in this thread.

Simply, not a credible source.

crapola.

and that was that somebody was holding a smart phone up to videotape the videotape. Plus, the resolution sucks.

However, it's still good enough to tell me Zimmerman was not severely injured.

I would, however, love to know about any powder burns on Martin's clothing. I still think Zimmerman panicked and shot when the kid started to scream for help and shot from a distance. We are unlikely to find that part out until and unless it goes to trial.

This whole thing has been an unholy mess since Zimmerman decided to be a wild west cowboy and got out of his car.

I am developing my own speculative theory. I am thinking that almost everyone is telling a little truth. And shading it in their interest. Except the Cable TV Pundity. I am trying to fit the info together in a certain way. My final conclusion so far is that it will be possible to charge Zimmerman with a crime. But not a Major one like Murder 1. But that can change. I even think this could end up in a plea bargain. With exposure in the media slowly of the evidence to tone the rage down and allow certain people to save face. That is another theory. We will see. But I thank you for the reply and interest

Is getting tired of being a punching bag and is deciding to fight back. Taken in conjunction with the release that the homicide detective wanting to file manslaughter charges that night shows the Police saying they were doing their job and it was taken out of their hands. The Police Chief, now on leave, has been thrown under the bus. There is also the issue of the police report that can't be supported by the evidence. Has that report been doctored? Was the police officer told what to put in the report?

I should say a copy the original. The other is a video of a video.

of any of his so called injuries? All of his injuries should have been photographed when he was in the police station. You are seeing what you want to see in the video.

if there are no pictures then I will have a hard time believing
even small town cops should follow some procedures

their servants, after all (even if they might not always behave thusly).

They have a right to that information. The police hiding it would make it all worse.

Oh really?

Before this video?

and it seems as though Trayvon would have got some on him somewhere, even if he didn't fight.

However, the police haven't explained the spotlessly clean appearance of his clothes. So I remain skeptical.

He's wearing a red jacket in this video. I think he's wearing the same clothes.

You can't really believe that he got a change of clothes between the incident and this video, can you?

It beggars belief that anyone would even entertain such nonsense.

but if someone at the scene has blood on their clothes, they are asked to remove them for evidence and are then provided with an orange jumpsuit or the like, even if it's a cop, before being put in the squad car. Since fictional characters routinely arrange this, it's possible that police officers, even incompetent ones like the Sadford (sic) Police, could do the same. After all, it looks pretty bad to be hauling around a guy covered in somebody else's blood in their nice clean patrol cars that they don't want to mess up. I'm not insisting that it happened or anything, I don't know, I would like to see the police confirm that. But I certainly think it's possible, not ridiculous, and would explain his appearance which at the moment seems totally unbelievable.

So, between the incident, and his transportation to the station, the police found him, at minimum, a new t-shirt, probably a new jacket, and maybe new jeans, and bagged and tagged his bloody clothes? Which they brought him - where - in the backyards of the gated community? That's what you think is a plausible alternative scenario?

Oh, and then when they get to the station, one of the cops realizes that he should search the jacket that, well, the cops just gave him! Because, you know, maybe he left a packet of Altoids in there!

Keep watching CSI, there.

we are both entitled.

That some alternatives are beyond preposterous? Yes, you're right. I weigh alternative scenarios against common sense and basic plausibility then reject them as needed.

The real question is why somebody would twist common sense so severely to come up with an explanation that would benefit Mr. Zimmerman. That's probably a more interesting question that will have to go without explicit conclusions.

Reality is that the clothes are removed at the jail. Oh...they could also be collected at the hospital but he didn't go to the hospital. Evidence is collected and sealed per protocols by evidence team...and a team was active as there was a shooting.

it never exisited.

and perhaps it was that cop that dropped dime on zimmerman to his daddy.

Trayvon was the injured victim; now deceased. GZ ain't got no bleeding wounds or life threatening trauma injuries.....Maybe a pimple or two....no wounds.

than he claims.

What do you believe: the police report or your lyin' eyes?

But no, I can't believe that he got a change of clothes at his house to tidy him up before taking him to the station.

Didn't you know?

That's why they felt the need to check his pockets after he exited the cop car.



It's stunning how people can escape cognitive dissonance by merely ignoring the facts in front of their face.

left a tin of Altoids in there! Altoids, yeah, that's the ticket!

"Dude, you got my Altoids?"

George Zimmerman managed to heal himself while riding in the squad car down to the station. A man with those powers could magically summon a weapon to appear in his pocket. The police were just being careful.

and we are going to see that in the next few days.

was taken. How would they have gotten new clothes for him if he had changed them at the scene of the crime? Surely they did not drive him by his house so that he could change his clothes before taking him in for questioning? That in and of itself would create suspicion about the conduct of the police.

When they arrested the occupiers around the country, they did not let them change their clothes before going to jail. This guy killed someone, but he may have spent less time in jail than some of the occupiers.

Something was terribly wrong. The Florida law is just insane.

In some states, a person who kills something because they make a mistake when driving might easily spend more time in jail than this guy who was following an innocent kid who was trying to get to his father's girlfriend's house.

Even if Zimmerman eventually gets off because he is able to persuade a jury that he was acting in self-defense, the police's handling of the investigation is so flawed as to deprive Trayvon, regardless of his race, of his basic human dignity. We just do not do things that way in this country.

I'm shocked that conservatives suddenly have so little sympathy for a victim of gun violence. If Trayvon had been shot in LA by a gang member protecting his turf from an innocent person he perceived to be an intruder, the investigation would have been more thorough.

They put them in an evidence bag and sealed it. I also assume, but do not know that they took good photos of any wounds and have them as evidence. I speculate that there is a reasonable explanation for all of this. Zimmerman could be telling the truth or something close to it and still have charges brought. I am theorizing that the Police think Trevon did hit him. But it was because he thought Zimmerman was going for a gun. Zimmerman claims he was going for his phone. But had a concealed gun. Meaning that Trevan was defending himself from Zimmerman going for his phone unaware that he really had a concealed gun. This will be sorted out by the prosecutors and special investigators now on the case. It is speculation on my part. But it is very complicated in the law and in the facts. Take a deep breath and try to apply some critical thinking. Look at this from a non political perspective.

You don't seem to have any trouble spelling Zimmerman.

A little respect. Please.

Trayvon, not so much.

if someone can't figure out the correct spelling after this much time and focus, then it's not "fairness"; it's just plain meanness and dismissiveness towards the humanity a minor.

I think you might want to take your own advice, there, podner. That's a rather dismissive and snide remark, to put it nicely. It's a way of trying to tell people that their POV is not valid, and yours is somehow better--that anyone not sharing your POV is somehow "upset" or "hysterical" or not thinking clearly. Using those kinds of phrases says more about you than perhaps you realize--and what it says about you is not laudable.

The guy has no cuts or bruises as he strolls into the PD, no head wound that might have required stitches, no bloodied, broken nose, no grass stains on his clothing, and he is wearing a red jacket--which is what he was described as wearing by witnesses to the altercation that killed TRAYVON.

Yes, TRAYVON. That's T-R-A-Y-V-O-N.

I agree with those who say you should make an effort to spell the deceased's name correctly. It's been in the news often enough. It suggests disrespect otherwise, even if that was not your intent.

Here's the simple fact: the narrative of the fight between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman that has been bandied about by the Zimmerman fan club these last few days is obvious bullshit based on this video. Obvious bullshit. So, Zimmerman supporters like CAPHAVOC have a choice: go with the clear evidence, or make up bullshit. This guy's going with option #2. Rather than get angry at the people who have obviously lied to him and made him look like a goodamn fool, CAPHAVOC is instead just making shit up out of whole cloth now. That's pride talkin, as the saying goes.

Also, couldnt be more wrong in claiming people are looking at this politically....what does that even mean?

I admit to speculation. I support no one. I am angry at no one. In fact it is you who appears angry and emotional. None of the "evidence" is clear yet. None of it. I am however curious. And wonder if you realize the damage you and others are doing. To people like me who are actually trying to make a difference in the area of wrongful convictions. In fact most wrongful convictions are perpetrated on poor blacks with inadequate representation and false evidence. So before you call someone a fool. Perhaps you should look in a mirror.

By its very definition is not a fact. But it also is not a lie.

A "fact," though, that is later found to be untrue or false, is a lie, not a speculation.

A fact can not be untrue or false. Truth is always factual. So a fact can not later be found to be untrue. By their nature speculations are halfassed as you say even if they are educated guesses. A guess is certainly a guess.

I see what you mean. Duhh. But look where I am from.

You are spouting right wing bs. Don't be surprised that that makes people angry. And don't fucking pretend that our anger (or language) invalidates our points--another bs right wing ploy.

Great observations.

The clothes would be good evidence. I am unable to verify it. If they did not it would be unusual and a strike against the Sanford Police Investigation. I should have said that.

during the CNN interview IIRC. Whether they handled them properly is unknown.

I saw it in the online Sentinel in a small report. If true it means they will be good evidence. I always like to look at this type of Who Done It from the side of the Defense. I have no sympathy for the guilty. But wrongful convictions worry me. No matter what the Race or Political Party. I really hate to see this outpouring of angst against a possible wrongful acquittal. From the very people who suffer the most in wrongful convictions. Sometimes people are legally innocent. But not factually. A price that must be paid.

I don't have access to online video at the moment

Doesn't that video show the cops and Zimmerman arriving at the station? If so, where and when Zimmerman change clothes? And why would the cops have him change at the scene or even more unlikely during transport?

Finally, if those are indeed the clothes Zimmerman was wearing during the shooting, where are they now?

attempt to search him, contaminating the clothing evidence. Put them in an evidence bag and sealed it? The officer did not have gloves on, standard procedure when searching someone, especially if their is any blood at all.
I'm not buying your speculation at all. You need to apply some reality thinking.
The police botched it big time.