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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Sat May 31, 2014, 05:50 PM May 2014

"Why the Snowden Hero/Traitor Debate Is Meaningless"--NBC Snowden Clip--Good Watch!

Abby Martin goes over the NBC news interview with Edward Snowden, discussing how the entire conversation was focused on Snowden himself, rather than the content of the leaked documents.

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"Why the Snowden Hero/Traitor Debate Is Meaningless"--NBC Snowden Clip--Good Watch! (Original Post) KoKo May 2014 OP
It's been like this for months... elzenmahn May 2014 #1
Yep. grasswire May 2014 #2
Snowden does not have any documents. He did not take them with him into Russia. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #11
But remember, he's had espionage training... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #20
I totally agree. The US Government is turning itself inside out trying to demonize Snowden.. truth2power Jun 2014 #14
A person can conclude Snowdens a traitor and not agree with spy agencies acts. uponit7771 Jun 2014 #17
who is that woman? grasswire May 2014 #3
That is Abby Martin... elzenmahn May 2014 #4
Abby Martin jakeXT May 2014 #5
batshit conspiracy theorist Alex Jones fan uhnope Jun 2014 #10
None of us are perfect. We all make mistakes. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #12
Thank You Snowden - Thank You Greenwald - Thank You Abby Martin cantbeserious May 2014 #6
Think it's "Good Watch" for those who missed it on NBC...and her Analysis that's KoKo May 2014 #7
Snowden has done for privacy what Occupy Wall Street did for economics RufusTFirefly May 2014 #8
"...changed the vocabulary of the national dialogue." The TRUTH of IT! KoKo May 2014 #9
occupy didn't betray their country in the act, the ends do NOT justify the means uponit7771 Jun 2014 #18
Snowden didn't betray his country, either... elzenmahn Jun 2014 #21
At lest we know what the kremlin thinks about eddie. stonecutter357 Jun 2014 #13
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #15
Surprised that vacuousness can be that vacuous, eh? DeSwiss Jun 2014 #16
Brian Williams is polynomial Jun 2014 #19
Thanks for your observations and others on this post.... KoKo Jun 2014 #22

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
1. It's been like this for months...
Sat May 31, 2014, 06:10 PM
May 2014

...because that's all that the government can do right now - attempt to lower his popularity by personal attacks in order to create an incentive for him to "come home".

Sounds like the same thing that happens in political campaigns these days.

Snowden likely has a boatload of additional information he can release, thus, he's in the catbird's seat right now. He knows it, and the Administration knows it.

And to see the hissy fit that Kerry/Gates/Schultz/Harris-Perry, Stephanie Miller, and the Administration, are throwing seems fitting.

And it fits me just fine.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. Yep.
Sat May 31, 2014, 06:25 PM
May 2014

Even if NSA assassinated him, he would still have won.

His goal was to begin a national conversation about surveillance. He considered the risks and was willing to accept them. He achieved that goal.

There's nothing they can do to him that will not render him a martyr.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Snowden does not have any documents. He did not take them with him into Russia.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 03:14 AM
Jun 2014

He explains in his interview that he gave them to the press on condition that the journalists check with the government before publishing them in order to insure that no details that could hurt anyone would be published.

He also explained that he did not take any documents or the capacity to get to the documents with him into Russia because he was trained as a spy and knew that if he had the documents (and I paraphrase a bit) he would be like a little Tweety bird to Sylvester (meaning the Russian intelligence agencies).

Please watch the interview. Rushing to judgment without watching it may one day be something you regret.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
20. But remember, he's had espionage training...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:10 PM
Jun 2014

...so my salt shaker was on full blast when he made those statements.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
14. I totally agree. The US Government is turning itself inside out trying to demonize Snowden..
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

And if they can't succeed in that, then they'll send out their trolls around the internet to demonize anyone associated with him.

Snowden is a better man than those slugs like Michael Hayden or Keith Alexander, those who call themselves our "protectors", could ever hope to be.

And kudos to Abby Martin! Oh, wait....AlexJonesAlexJonesAlexJonesAlexJones...eeeeeeeeek!!!



And those you mention above, and their ilk, can go piss up a rope as far as I'm concerned!


elzenmahn

(904 posts)
4. That is Abby Martin...
Sat May 31, 2014, 06:39 PM
May 2014

...her show is "Breaking The Set" on RT. Some cable systems carry RT, usually on one of their "leased" channels - or you can view it on the rt.com website. I highly recommend it.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
10. batshit conspiracy theorist Alex Jones fan
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jun 2014

I pity anyone relying on her for any information at all. If she says it's raining I'm going to the window to check.





JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. None of us are perfect. We all make mistakes.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 03:17 AM
Jun 2014

Some of us make fewer mistakes than others.

That's why we don't want some general making decisions about which of us to place under surveillance without a lot of input and a lot of argument and a defense for the person who is to be placed under surveillance.

I trust the FISA courts even less than I trust the NSA. Never seen an order like the Verizon order. It's just a kangaroo court permit to get countless amounts of records. Unreal. That does not happen in real, American courts. It's a nightmare.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
7. Think it's "Good Watch" for those who missed it on NBC...and her Analysis that's
Sat May 31, 2014, 07:30 PM
May 2014

"out of the Mainstream Box."

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
8. Snowden has done for privacy what Occupy Wall Street did for economics
Sat May 31, 2014, 07:36 PM
May 2014

People can argue about their strategies and tactics and disagree over whether they succeeded or failed, but in each case, at least one thing is clear: They fundamentally changed the vocabulary of the national dialogue.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
21. Snowden didn't betray his country, either...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jun 2014

...he revealed unconstitutional actions and behaviors by the American spy apparatus in specific, and our government in general.

polynomial

(750 posts)
19. Brian Williams is
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:40 PM
Jun 2014

Brian Williams is a key player in the media game of deception. It is a surprise to me that Snowden even considered an interview with him. Brian Williams is the icon Journalist of the one percent group. The media point man for the GE network.

If a message like this ever gets back to Snowden, my advice is avoid any negotiation with American government officials, and especially mainstream Journalist.

Edward, my personal message to you; life as you knew it is over. But there are plenty of governments that would like to have even a whisper of anything secret you may know even if you did not take documents with you.

Even better you are flushing out longtime political theater people like Kerry. John Kerry has revealed his identity, even though a Vietnam war veteran as he spews rhetoric to “man up” be a patriot return to America and face the treason charges is laughable. As for me a former Vietnam veteran, I think Kerry now is very disappointing from my view it is Kerry and John McCain that created and poisoned the culture of deception and likely secret profiteering that Snowden showed all America.


I remember watching some of Kerry's Congressional investigations about the war in Vietnam. Those same type of investigations are needed about Afghanistan and Iraq it’s inevitable as the truth keeps pointing to self-denial across the country, the war’s are a hoax, those wars were a profiteering instrument of the media and industrial complex. It's growing more obvious Kerry is bought off by Bush not saying anything about a total investigation.

These entities have no recourse but to continue to lie, cheat, deceive, steal tax money, lie about elections, bribe, fraud, and even murder. George Bush was right when he said “the stakes are high.” It's my view Ground zero is Bush treason.

If America knew the Bush and Cheney’s are and have been business partners with the Bin Laden family for decades we would realize the Bush and Cheney families are nothing more than a political crime syndicate.

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