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Abby Martin goes over the NBC news interview with Edward Snowden, discussing how the entire conversation was focused on Snowden himself, rather than the content of the leaked documents.IF YOU ARE ON DSL...HIT RELOAD if YOU GET BUFFERING...!
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elzenmahn
(904 posts)...because that's all that the government can do right now - attempt to lower his popularity by personal attacks in order to create an incentive for him to "come home".
Sounds like the same thing that happens in political campaigns these days.
Snowden likely has a boatload of additional information he can release, thus, he's in the catbird's seat right now. He knows it, and the Administration knows it.
And to see the hissy fit that Kerry/Gates/Schultz/Harris-Perry, Stephanie Miller, and the Administration, are throwing seems fitting.
And it fits me just fine.
Even if NSA assassinated him, he would still have won.
His goal was to begin a national conversation about surveillance. He considered the risks and was willing to accept them. He achieved that goal.
There's nothing they can do to him that will not render him a martyr.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He explains in his interview that he gave them to the press on condition that the journalists check with the government before publishing them in order to insure that no details that could hurt anyone would be published.
He also explained that he did not take any documents or the capacity to get to the documents with him into Russia because he was trained as a spy and knew that if he had the documents (and I paraphrase a bit) he would be like a little Tweety bird to Sylvester (meaning the Russian intelligence agencies).
Please watch the interview. Rushing to judgment without watching it may one day be something you regret.
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...so my salt shaker was on full blast when he made those statements.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)And if they can't succeed in that, then they'll send out their trolls around the internet to demonize anyone associated with him.
Snowden is a better man than those slugs like Michael Hayden or Keith Alexander, those who call themselves our "protectors", could ever hope to be.
And kudos to Abby Martin! Oh, wait....AlexJonesAlexJonesAlexJonesAlexJones...eeeeeeeeek!!!
And those you mention above, and their ilk, can go piss up a rope as far as I'm concerned!
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)That was well done!
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...her show is "Breaking The Set" on RT. Some cable systems carry RT, usually on one of their "leased" channels - or you can view it on the rt.com website. I highly recommend it.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)I pity anyone relying on her for any information at all. If she says it's raining I'm going to the window to check.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Some of us make fewer mistakes than others.
That's why we don't want some general making decisions about which of us to place under surveillance without a lot of input and a lot of argument and a defense for the person who is to be placed under surveillance.
I trust the FISA courts even less than I trust the NSA. Never seen an order like the Verizon order. It's just a kangaroo court permit to get countless amounts of records. Unreal. That does not happen in real, American courts. It's a nightmare.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"out of the Mainstream Box."
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)People can argue about their strategies and tactics and disagree over whether they succeeded or failed, but in each case, at least one thing is clear: They fundamentally changed the vocabulary of the national dialogue.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Thanks....!
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)elzenmahn
(904 posts)...he revealed unconstitutional actions and behaviors by the American spy apparatus in specific, and our government in general.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)polynomial
(750 posts)Brian Williams is a key player in the media game of deception. It is a surprise to me that Snowden even considered an interview with him. Brian Williams is the icon Journalist of the one percent group. The media point man for the GE network.
If a message like this ever gets back to Snowden, my advice is avoid any negotiation with American government officials, and especially mainstream Journalist.
Edward, my personal message to you; life as you knew it is over. But there are plenty of governments that would like to have even a whisper of anything secret you may know even if you did not take documents with you.
Even better you are flushing out longtime political theater people like Kerry. John Kerry has revealed his identity, even though a Vietnam war veteran as he spews rhetoric to man up be a patriot return to America and face the treason charges is laughable. As for me a former Vietnam veteran, I think Kerry now is very disappointing from my view it is Kerry and John McCain that created and poisoned the culture of deception and likely secret profiteering that Snowden showed all America.
I remember watching some of Kerry's Congressional investigations about the war in Vietnam. Those same type of investigations are needed about Afghanistan and Iraq its inevitable as the truth keeps pointing to self-denial across the country, the wars are a hoax, those wars were a profiteering instrument of the media and industrial complex. It's growing more obvious Kerry is bought off by Bush not saying anything about a total investigation.
These entities have no recourse but to continue to lie, cheat, deceive, steal tax money, lie about elections, bribe, fraud, and even murder. George Bush was right when he said the stakes are high. It's my view Ground zero is Bush treason.
If America knew the Bush and Cheneys are and have been business partners with the Bin Laden family for decades we would realize the Bush and Cheney families are nothing more than a political crime syndicate.