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Islamists unleash all-out assault on Iraqi cities with US weapons (Original Post) DeSwiss Jun 2014 OP
What a complete fuster-cluck! trusty elf Jun 2014 #1
The Cheney/Bush administration started it all, yes. another_liberal Jun 2014 #3
Oh, please! radiclib Jun 2014 #2
Putin is squealing in delight as Iraq collapses into mayhem uhnope Jun 2014 #9
I know! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #12
Our weapons makers don't much care . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #4
Hell no they love it! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #13
Politicians also love to wave the "Bloody shirt" . . . another_liberal Jun 2014 #19
at one point I watched RT videos -- but too many were anti-US slanted so no more... tomm2thumbs Jun 2014 #5
I wish people would investigate...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #11
Condi Rice : "Nobody could have forseen this!!1!" bullwinkle428 Jun 2014 #6
Tell me about it.... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #14
How can she sleep at night? another_liberal Jun 2014 #20
This is inevitable! yallerdawg Jun 2014 #7
If we stop buying oil..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #15
We stopped buying oil from there (Xcept SA). Amonester Jun 2014 #18
You Reap What You Sow... panfluteman Jun 2014 #8
and Putin squeals in delight as Iraq collapses into pain and suffering uhnope Jun 2014 #10
US policy is/was to prevent the emergence..of a single regional power that could dominate the region jakeXT Jun 2014 #21
We'll find those elusive WMD any day now according to Fox News aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2014 #16
I'll help. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17
+ Saudi money pays for Russian made equipment, probably bought in Ukraine jakeXT Jun 2014 #22
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
3. The Cheney/Bush administration started it all, yes.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:13 AM
Jun 2014

It can't be denied that is why Iraq became what it is today. Yet George W. Bush has been out of office now for five and a half years, and our military/industrial complex seems to be getting involved in more imperialistic adventures than ever before.

radiclib

(1,811 posts)
2. Oh, please!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:09 AM
Jun 2014

Everyone knows that everything reported on RT is pro-Putin propaganda designed to make the US look bad.
Consider the source, sheeple!

Oh, hell.. I guess I'll need this thing--

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. I know!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014
- But I figured out a solution. Just believe every other word. That way you never get the full lie!!!
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
4. Our weapons makers don't much care . . .
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:24 AM
Jun 2014

Sadly for the Iraqi people (and the American taxpayers) our weapons makers don't much care who uses up their weapons and equipment, all they care about is getting plenty of new orders to make more of the murderous crap.

IMO: Look to see a big push from MIC-owned legislators to quickly and massively reinforce our presence in Persian Gulf region, especially at our bases in Kuwait and Bahrain. We'll soon be hearing how, "American cavalry must ride to the rescue!"

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. Hell no they love it!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014
- All that ammo and all those guns will now have to be replaced! Congress rarely turns down orders for guns and ammo since they're mostly made in their congressional districts.....

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
19. Politicians also love to wave the "Bloody shirt" . . .
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:42 AM
Jun 2014

It is said, perhaps anecdotally, that one of the last bits of advice Richard Nixon cynically gave Gerald Ford as he handed the Oval office over to him was:

"If you ever get in a tight spot with the public, just get a few Marines killed. It works like a goddamned charm."

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
5. at one point I watched RT videos -- but too many were anti-US slanted so no more...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:48 AM
Jun 2014

but will look up the story in a regular news source and see what I can find about it....

Thanks for posting.

Seems to be good reporting at The Guardian UK

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. I wish people would investigate......
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jun 2014

...the other ''regular news source's'' ownership with the same aplomb they seem to know all about RT's and how it is Putin's lil' puppy dog. We seem to forget that the CIA admitted infiltrating the news media. What makes anyone think they ever stopped?

So who are the owners of the ''regular news sources''? Not the corporate owners, but the people who own and control the corporations.

Who are these people? Are they even Americans?

Is it still ''regular news'' if it isn't reported at all? Or when the reporting is slanted to make the US look like a champ and all other like pikers?

[font size=3]It. Is. All. Propaganda.[/font]

I listen to many sources -- at least once. Some with maybe a more jaundiced eye than others due to their reputed past malfeasance or sourcing. But I won't dismiss anyone simply because I don't want to stick up like a nail only to be hammered by nincompoops who are little more than talking point machines. Not just for what they do report, but for what they don't report as well.

And yet in all the carping and complaining about the RT/Putin connection, I have yet to see any thing specific charged against him and/or them. Just some vague miasma of concern that ''the Ruskies are up to something again!'' Yeah?, well what!?!?

Can someone tell me of an instance where RT reported blatant lies? Where their reporting was proven to be an attempt to mislead? NO! I defy anyone to do so. American media obfuscate (lie) all the time. This is practiced every single day by the ''regular news sources'' and no one blinks.

I think some dislike RT because it holds up one of these up to America's face:

And we don't like what we're seeing. So we deny it. Excuse it. Ignore it. Like ignoring Barack's droned-babies. Like accepting as normal the cackling Hillary while she rejoiced over the despicable and heinous death of Gaddafi. We've normalized death, destruction and carnage to the point where we now make money from video games depicting it. Training and preparing future drone operators to kill whomever America's next ''enemy'' is.

We here in America have been cut off from the rest of the world and have been told we were the best. And we believed it. So now we have no consideration for any other's perspective and we define reality through dirty lenses and filters full of crap we've had pumped into us since 1st grade.

- It's time for America to grow up.

[center]Frank Church Committee Hearings







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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. This is inevitable!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jun 2014

Sunni/Shia. Modern/fundamentalist. This is never going to be resolved by the Great Satan America.

Our only influence in the region is to stop buying oil and move all the Israelis to Utah!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
15. If we stop buying oil.....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jun 2014

...the whole shebang collapses.

- And Mormons and Jews fighting over the promised land of Utah? Well, it'll be interesting.....

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
8. You Reap What You Sow...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

Yep, the Iraq War was a war we went into for all the wrong reasons. It was mainly to bail out Cheney and his cronies at Halliburton and KBR with lucrative, no bid contracts, and so save them from bankruptcy. And it also is a bitter and hard karmic lesson in how totally misguided and disastrous it is to mix private corporate interests with, and put them above, the national interest. The corporatization of our military is something that really happened in a big way with baby Bush, I believe.

Now Obama is really gonna get hell from the Republicans for his "lie" about leaving a stable Iraq behind - while they conveniently choose to forget about the huge, monumental lies that got us into Iraq in the first place! Just wait - and this prediction will probably be a better and more realistic one than those made by Alex Jones - the Republicans are going to use this as another albatross to hang around Obama's neck. I don't think that there are any limits at all to Republican hypocrisy and amnesia.

For all its faults, Iraq was a stable and well run country in many ways, even though it was run by a cruel, murderous madman, Saddam Hussein. The real conservative statesmen and diplomats who ran our foreign policy under presidents like Nixon and Bush I knew well the fine line between discretion and foolhardiness, and knew the true meaning of conservatism - to know when it is best to preserve the status quo and not rush in where angels fear to tread. Can't say the same for baby Bush and his neo-cons!

And yes, maybe it would be better, as VP Biden suggested, if Iraq were split up into three countries - Sunni, Shia and Kurdish - instead of being one country. I believe that a country with as great ethnic tensions and differences as Iraq can either be held together by a ruthless strong man like Saddam Hussein, or it can split up. Perhaps the idea that a free and democratic government can hold Iraq together is an unrealistic pipe dream. If you want to go even further back down the karmic rabbit hole, this all stems from the crazy "lines in the sand" that were drawn by British and French oil interests when the old Ottoman Empire was carved up after WWI.

Enough food for thought here, and I think I have covered all the major Iraq issues raised in this video. What do you guys think?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
10. and Putin squeals in delight as Iraq collapses into pain and suffering
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

any disaster in the world connected to USA = good news for Putin, RT.
Cheney and Putin have a lot in common, I think, though Cheney would be very jealous of Putin's dictatorial power

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
21. US policy is/was to prevent the emergence..of a single regional power that could dominate the region
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jun 2014
Rethinking the Middle East

By Bernard Lewis From our Fall 1992 Issue


Meanwhile a new American policy has emerged in the Middle East, concerned with different objectives. Its main aim is to prevent the emergence of a regional hegemony—of a single regional power that could dominate the area and thus establish monopolistic control of Middle Eastern oil. This has been the basic concern underlying successive American policies toward Iran, Iraq and now perhaps once again toward Iran, or to any other perceived future threat within the region.

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/48213/bernard-lewis/rethinking-the-middle-east





jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
22. + Saudi money pays for Russian made equipment, probably bought in Ukraine
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014
From January through May, six helicopters were shot down and 60 were damaged in battle, an administration official said.

In the same period, 28 M-1 tanks were damaged and five tanks sustained full armor penetration by antitank guided missiles. ISIS, the administration official added, appears to have acquired Russian antitank weapons in Syria. A significant number of M-1 tanks have been hobbled by maintenance issues, the official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/world/middleeast/american-intelligence-officials-said-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0
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