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RT Published on June 12, 2014
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trusty elf
(7,393 posts)Thanks Dubya ! ! ! !
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another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It can't be denied that is why Iraq became what it is today. Yet George W. Bush has been out of office now for five and a half years, and our military/industrial complex seems to be getting involved in more imperialistic adventures than ever before.
radiclib
(1,811 posts)Everyone knows that everything reported on RT is pro-Putin propaganda designed to make the US look bad.
Consider the source, sheeple!
Oh, hell.. I guess I'll need this thing--
uhnope
(6,419 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Sadly for the Iraqi people (and the American taxpayers) our weapons makers don't much care who uses up their weapons and equipment, all they care about is getting plenty of new orders to make more of the murderous crap.
IMO: Look to see a big push from MIC-owned legislators to quickly and massively reinforce our presence in Persian Gulf region, especially at our bases in Kuwait and Bahrain. We'll soon be hearing how, "American cavalry must ride to the rescue!"
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It is said, perhaps anecdotally, that one of the last bits of advice Richard Nixon cynically gave Gerald Ford as he handed the Oval office over to him was:
"If you ever get in a tight spot with the public, just get a few Marines killed. It works like a goddamned charm."
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)but will look up the story in a regular news source and see what I can find about it....
Thanks for posting.
Seems to be good reporting at The Guardian UK
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...the other ''regular news source's'' ownership with the same aplomb they seem to know all about RT's and how it is Putin's lil' puppy dog. We seem to forget that the CIA admitted infiltrating the news media. What makes anyone think they ever stopped?
So who are the owners of the ''regular news sources''? Not the corporate owners, but the people who own and control the corporations.
Who are these people? Are they even Americans?
Is it still ''regular news'' if it isn't reported at all? Or when the reporting is slanted to make the US look like a champ and all other like pikers?
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I listen to many sources -- at least once. Some with maybe a more jaundiced eye than others due to their reputed past malfeasance or sourcing. But I won't dismiss anyone simply because I don't want to stick up like a nail only to be hammered by nincompoops who are little more than talking point machines. Not just for what they do report, but for what they don't report as well.
And yet in all the carping and complaining about the RT/Putin connection, I have yet to see any thing specific charged against him and/or them. Just some vague miasma of concern that ''the Ruskies are up to something again!'' Yeah?, well what!?!?
Can someone tell me of an instance where RT reported blatant lies? Where their reporting was proven to be an attempt to mislead? NO! I defy anyone to do so. American media obfuscate (lie) all the time. This is practiced every single day by the ''regular news sources'' and no one blinks.
I think some dislike RT because it holds up one of these up to America's face:
And we don't like what we're seeing. So we deny it. Excuse it. Ignore it. Like ignoring Barack's droned-babies. Like accepting as normal the cackling Hillary while she rejoiced over the despicable and heinous death of Gaddafi. We've normalized death, destruction and carnage to the point where we now make money from video games depicting it. Training and preparing future drone operators to kill whomever America's next ''enemy'' is.
We here in America have been cut off from the rest of the world and have been told we were the best. And we believed it. So now we have no consideration for any other's perspective and we define reality through dirty lenses and filters full of crap we've had pumped into us since 1st grade.
- It's time for America to grow up.
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bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)That is a lot to try and shut out.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Sunni/Shia. Modern/fundamentalist. This is never going to be resolved by the Great Satan America.
Our only influence in the region is to stop buying oil and move all the Israelis to Utah!
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...the whole shebang collapses.
- And Mormons and Jews fighting over the promised land of Utah? Well, it'll be interesting.....
Amonester
(11,541 posts)But China, Japan, and Australia have not... yet.
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)Yep, the Iraq War was a war we went into for all the wrong reasons. It was mainly to bail out Cheney and his cronies at Halliburton and KBR with lucrative, no bid contracts, and so save them from bankruptcy. And it also is a bitter and hard karmic lesson in how totally misguided and disastrous it is to mix private corporate interests with, and put them above, the national interest. The corporatization of our military is something that really happened in a big way with baby Bush, I believe.
Now Obama is really gonna get hell from the Republicans for his "lie" about leaving a stable Iraq behind - while they conveniently choose to forget about the huge, monumental lies that got us into Iraq in the first place! Just wait - and this prediction will probably be a better and more realistic one than those made by Alex Jones - the Republicans are going to use this as another albatross to hang around Obama's neck. I don't think that there are any limits at all to Republican hypocrisy and amnesia.
For all its faults, Iraq was a stable and well run country in many ways, even though it was run by a cruel, murderous madman, Saddam Hussein. The real conservative statesmen and diplomats who ran our foreign policy under presidents like Nixon and Bush I knew well the fine line between discretion and foolhardiness, and knew the true meaning of conservatism - to know when it is best to preserve the status quo and not rush in where angels fear to tread. Can't say the same for baby Bush and his neo-cons!
And yes, maybe it would be better, as VP Biden suggested, if Iraq were split up into three countries - Sunni, Shia and Kurdish - instead of being one country. I believe that a country with as great ethnic tensions and differences as Iraq can either be held together by a ruthless strong man like Saddam Hussein, or it can split up. Perhaps the idea that a free and democratic government can hold Iraq together is an unrealistic pipe dream. If you want to go even further back down the karmic rabbit hole, this all stems from the crazy "lines in the sand" that were drawn by British and French oil interests when the old Ottoman Empire was carved up after WWI.
Enough food for thought here, and I think I have covered all the major Iraq issues raised in this video. What do you guys think?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)any disaster in the world connected to USA = good news for Putin, RT.
Cheney and Putin have a lot in common, I think, though Cheney would be very jealous of Putin's dictatorial power
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)By Bernard Lewis From our Fall 1992 Issue
Meanwhile a new American policy has emerged in the Middle East, concerned with different objectives. Its main aim is to prevent the emergence of a regional hegemonyof a single regional power that could dominate the area and thus establish monopolistic control of Middle Eastern oil. This has been the basic concern underlying successive American policies toward Iran, Iraq and now perhaps once again toward Iran, or to any other perceived future threat within the region.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/48213/bernard-lewis/rethinking-the-middle-east
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)In the same period, 28 M-1 tanks were damaged and five tanks sustained full armor penetration by antitank guided missiles. ISIS, the administration official added, appears to have acquired Russian antitank weapons in Syria. A significant number of M-1 tanks have been hobbled by maintenance issues, the official said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/world/middleeast/american-intelligence-officials-said-iraqi-military-had-been-in-decline.html?_r=0