When the real-life made-for-TV docudrama and miniseries well runs dry, they turn to schlock writers who churn out violence-against-women dreck as if from a Pez dispenser.

Does that count?

Which is, coincidentally, about equal to the screen time given to violence against female characters.

without it.

Shrug.

An unsettling amount of violence is against female characters

That assertion isn't supported by this video. Most of the violence was against male characters.

There's violence in movies!!

I am a parent of a toddler. Disney films are not allowed in our house because they are too violent, Sexist, and contain subliminal messages like these:





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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Disney is appropriate for children.

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Excellent pictures revealing the other stuff going on in Disney other than violence.

I am curious how many of the people who responded dismissively were on the other hand outraged at what happened to Trayvon Martin. We foster a culture of violence. Disney -- oddly enough for a franchise that targets young audiences -- contributes to a hostile culture.

I didn't say much about violence in my previous post, but the amount of violence in disney films is staggering. Disney films are not allowed in my house mainly because they are violent. The subliminal messaging is just another reason, not the main reason. We don't have a TV in our house. Any video watched is on a lap top, and even then limited to no more then an hour a day (if even that) of both parent approved programing.

the most ridiculous comment I have ever witnessed on this site. Borderline irresponsible. Are you really insinuating that I should feel
the same outrage for two freaking lions fighting, or a chipmunk getting slapped around, as I would for a young man being brutally murdered by an unprovoked attacker in the streets of Florida? Are you seriously trying to say that there is some kind of corrolation between Disney and murderers. Did Zimmerman watch to much Mickey f'ng Mouse as a child?

I watched hours and hours of the Road Runner and Wile E Coyote as a child. Not once have I, or anyone I have ever known, climbed to the top of a mountain and tried to drop a boulder on someones head.

Are you then suggesting there is no correlation between propaganda and the desired effect of its author?

If you want to foster a violent country, What would you do? We know the banks and the pentagon want perpetual war. There's no money for the DuPonts if gunpowder isn't selling. There is huge money in violence.

In order to create a hostile culture, you do many things, but one thing is influence the mind through media outlets. As you can see, Disney starts out on the young. There are others, as you wrote, that target youthful audiences too.

Look at the violence in Hollywood film after film. I said it earlier, Joseph Goebbels held a very important position in Nazi Germany. It wasn't because what he was doing was ineffectual. His propaganda influenced opinion and behavior.

You might not have turned out violent, but it is a percentage game. The more youth that are physically abused by parents (for example), how many will abuse others or their own children? Not all will do so. But the likelihood increases when exposed to that lifestyle. To me this is just commonsense.

its over sensitive. Again, you are making some pretty bold comparisons, and now conspiracy theories. So Disney is in bed with the banks and the pentagon to start perpetual war, and to do this they have bad people do bad things in cartoons. These bad people are punished for there wrong doings, however, hopefully the viewer will overlook that and still become violent as adults.

It is a percentage game, and if 99.9% of the kids who watch this type of programming are not violent for doing so, then the ones who turn out violent are probably so do to other reasons.

Implanting the idea that you meet bad acts with violence and this is how you solve problems.

A good example of this is when in a Texas school where coperal punishment is still practiced, a teacher held up a paddle to her kindigarten class and explained that if they missbehave, they get the paddle. At lunch time that verry same day, a little girl hit a boy with a stick because he wouldn't give her his sandwitch.

The OP's Point is to ask: What kind of example are we setting for our children, and by natural extention our society with violence in the media all the way down to g rated cartoons????

I understand that you disagree, but there is still no Disney in my house.

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we'll just have to part ways on this whole discussion.

For someone who alleges to have been here soooooo long, it is strange to see that you have a mere 6 posts in your tenure.

However, the mice scene, and the priest scene may fall under the jessica rabbit explanation. But I think it's absurd to say there was any consciously nefarious intentions to this.


http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/mermaid.asp

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/aladdin.asp

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/jessica.asp

Poorly drawn but just the knee.

The girl in the window was a real joke that got through.
it was done by someone who was encouraged to do so by Don Bluth and his fellow animator Gary Goldman. (I personally heard this a few months ago, first hand, from the very person that put the photo in, who shall remain anonymous.)

The Lion King SEX is actually SFX, which is short for special effects and was put in by the effects animator.

And all the really interesting characters in the pre 80's tooning are strong, evil women.

but this vid illustrates man on man more. Make that the point (sans gender at issue) of glorifying violence in general might drive the point more effectively.. perhaps.

although I already see dismissive posts here on that point as well. Hence the problem.

What would the world be without warfare? apparently boring.

violence in the video.

But the middle passage of the video depicts women as weak "things" to be slapped around and dismissed.

That is unsettling, any way you slice it. Unless now we are advocating violence against women as no big deal.

Disney instills the idea that women are weak (unless they are depicted as evil surrogates for devil figures), and if a woman speaks, just punch her and her opinion out of the way.

How the commenters here can gloss over that aspect of the video is beside me. Maybe that's how they deal with their own domestic situations, and hence their easy dismissals. In that case, there's no need to respond to them.

in general always make me angry when they protray women running away from some monster or other, tripping, falling, being helped up by the hero, and generally whimpering and screaming and giving up. I don't know any women who would act like that. Women generally handle emergencies better than men do, in my experience.

where there is life, there will always be violence.. I guess.

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watching women getting smacked around, thrown to the ground, and dismissed like trash?

What happened to feminism in the democratic base???

These ideas are a good thing to plant into the minds of children?

If a silly character is hit in a silly way it doesn't register as violence but as a gag and you laugh.

If violence is done to a character you like and identify with it installs a desire to prevent that kind of violence. The opposite of making kids want to do it. It gives an anti violence message.

If the violence is done to a villain, in that case you cheer because someone is finally being punished for wrongs they have done.

If you present scenes of violence out of the story context all you are doing is glorifying violence because you don't have an emotional connection to the characters.

It's all about context. Whoever cut those shots together was the one glorifying violence against innocent characters not the original storytellers. It creates a totally different impression within the context of the story.

You are requiring that children ages 3 through 7 exercise such levels of discernment?

The fact is, these are very formative years. A child sees violence being presented as the solution to problems. Chip and Dale are not villains. Chip gets frustrated with Dale repeatedly and often punches him in the head to get his way or get a point across. Contrary to your assertion, Chip and his aggressive actions do not beckon us to 'prevent such behavior.' Rather, Disney tempts us to compromise our ethical/intellectual hedge and implores us to laugh at Dale's expense. Invariably, many children will copy this behavior because Chip is presented as the smart and charming one.

Further, a child sees the brutalization of women as the solution to conflict. Not the hearing of perspectives. Not dialog. Not the respecting of women as sentient beings. Context has nothing to do with it. What the video does is isolate the violence **in order to** highlight it rather than celebrate it. By stripping away context, the aggressive behavior is embossed. Disney, in fact, is the one guilty of glorifying violence because it is the vehicle by which he hopes to achieve cheap laughs.

that a child will hit another child because they saw Chiip hit Dale? There are millions on top of millions of children who
watch Disney without any violent outburst. Chip and Dale are two silly CHIPMUNKS for God sake. While I agree that there is
violence in some Disney movies, they are also tyically great stories with good moral overtones. At the end of the day, good overcomes bad every single time. Do you really expect two Lions to sit down and "use there words" to settle there differences? Should Chip have been put in "time out"?

And where did you see the "Brutalization" of a woman as a solution to a conflict? A little dramatic in my opinion.

Charles Barkley said, "I am not a role model."

They call it TV "programming" for a reason.

"Overdramatic" my hind end. Snow White was about to get murdered, but her "overwhelming goodness" prevented it. Pocahontas got smacked and sent flying. Same with Scar knocking out Nala. Esmeralda is kicked in the face and crashes to the ground. Jasmine was hit so hard that she flew what looked to be about 20 feet before skidding to a halt. If a man did any of those things to his wife and she called it in, he'd be not sleeping in his own home that night... Domestic violence is a huge issue, and It's not convincing to believe that the programming in the media has no influence of societal behavior. I guess Joseph Goebbels really didn't play much of a role in Nazi Germany, because propaganda has no effect, it seems you are suggesting.

Would you want any of those abovementioned things to happen to you? If those things aren't brutal, then we have completely different views of the world.

perpetrated by VILLAINS who get there just do in the end. You speak as if any of the violent acts your describe are
glorified or applauded. In EVERY example you give, justice is served to the offender. The lesson learned, if there is a lesson to be
learned, is that this behavior is unaccepatable.

Not one example you give could be considered domestic violence. Again, an OVERDRAMATIC reaction.

Nazi Germany comparisons......Really?

Really.

And here's a place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays