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(3,910 posts) Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:49 AM Jul 2014

Papantonio: Jesus Was NOT A Republican

The Republican Party likes to hide behind the Bible when they oppress portions of the American population, but the truth is that Jesus Christ has absolutely nothing in common with today’s Republican Party.

Ring of Fire's Mike Papantonio explains why Jesus would certainly NOT be a Republican, with Frank Schaeffer, author of the new book “Why I Am an Atheist Who Believes In God.”

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And Frank Schaeffer is NOT an atheist. longship Jul 2014 #1

I think what he was saying is that he doesn't believe in a structured church. A Simple Game Jul 2014 #4

If one believes in gods, one is not an atheist, by definition. longship Jul 2014 #5

Do you think he was actually trying to make people believe he is an atheist? A Simple Game Jul 2014 #7

Then the editor who entitled his book is either a fucking idiot. longship Jul 2014 #8

Damn right, I wouldn't buy the book either. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2014 #10

Kind of depends on who is doing the defining. zeemike Jul 2014 #11

Huge K&R Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2014 #2

Jesus was a great resource to historians and Biblical writers. You have hit the nail DhhD Jul 2014 #3

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #6

Man, I miss being able to listen to Paps. opiate69 Jul 2014 #9

Jesus was a Socialist . When he changed water into wine or healed the sick he did not charge the geretogo Jul 2014 #12

Republican policies are ANTI-Christ. JEFF9K Jul 2014 #13

longship

(40,416 posts)

1. And Frank Schaeffer is NOT an atheist.

Reply to GoLeft TV (Original post)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:30 AM

Jul 2014

He adheres to Greek Orthodoxy.

Calling himself an atheist is ridiculous.

On edit: I like Frank Schaeffer, but I do not like his premise, that an atheist can believe in any god.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)

4. I think what he was saying is that he doesn't believe in a structured church.

Reply to longship (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:15 PM

Jul 2014

That is his atheist part. He does believe in God that is his religious part and he doesn't deny it. The title of the book I suspect is meant to be ambiguous to sell more books.

I didn't think he was trying to fool anyone, at least not during this interview.

longship

(40,416 posts)

5. If one believes in gods, one is not an atheist, by definition.

Reply to A Simple Game (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:21 PM

Jul 2014

QED.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)

7. Do you think he was actually trying to make people believe he is an atheist?

Reply to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:44 PM

Jul 2014

I didn't get that impression. I got the impression he didn't think much of structured churches but put a lot of faith in Jesus.

Perhaps it was a play on the word because atheism is a belief system and many of the people going to churches don't worship the God they pretend to worship but do have other beliefs that in reality are not worship of a God.

longship

(40,416 posts)

8. Then the editor who entitled his book is either a fucking idiot.

Reply to A Simple Game (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:52 PM

Jul 2014

Or a troll.

Either way, it's not a book I would read, in spite of the fact that I have nothing against Frank Schaeffer. Why would anybody want their book to have that title? It is LAME.

A Simple Game

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10. Damn right, I wouldn't buy the book either. n/t

Reply to longship (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:04 PM

Jul 2014

zeemike

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11. Kind of depends on who is doing the defining.

Reply to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:14 PM

Jul 2014

I am sure those who believe in structured religion would define him as an atheist.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)

2. Huge K&R

Reply to GoLeft TV (Original post)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:32 AM

Jul 2014

Frank Schaeffer - the Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)

3. Jesus was a great resource to historians and Biblical writers. You have hit the nail

Reply to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:06 PM

Jul 2014

on the head. Jesus would have wanted to visit and care for every person in the towns that he lived in and along the roads that he walked. He made news! Think of the miracles, the love, the promise of life in Heaven.
The Bible says that at the instant that Christ gave up His ghost, that all Hell broke lose on Earth with familiar spirits, demons, etc. The darkness was frightening. Who stayed out and as near as possible to the body of Christ, having no fear? Women, who loved Christ as their Savior. It is my favorite Bible story.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)

6. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

Reply to GoLeft TV (Original post)

Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:37 PM

Jul 2014

I think this is a fascinating piece.

Frank Schaeffer is telling us that he is no longer into "organized religion" and he is telling us that young people are rejecting organized religion. On this I am with him 100%.

The organization, in organized religion, only exists to funnel money to those at the top, those in a position of authority.