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EarlG

(21,977 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:12 AM Aug 2014

Pic Of The Moment: How Much Impact Do Ordinary Citizens Have On America's Policy-Making Process?



Study: You Have 'Near-Zero' Impact on U.S. Policy


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Pic Of The Moment: How Much Impact Do Ordinary Citizens Have On America's Policy-Making Process? (Original Post) EarlG Aug 2014 OP
Uh, we already know it. nt valerief Aug 2014 #1
That's what they're counting on, hopelessness. shebornik Aug 2014 #2
Knowing our condition isn't hopelessness. It just means we have to valerief Aug 2014 #4
I will keep repeating this, until we rise up in mass and demand Publicly Funded Elections and Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #18
Power, whether in the form of money or otherwise... elzenmahn Aug 2014 #37
That's is exactly it! They control our whole government and have spent decades and lots of Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #38
Pray tell - how? I'm ready. 840high Aug 2014 #41
True. But we did elect (twice!) a better President then the one we had. So, small as it may be... FailureToCommunicate Aug 2014 #3
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #5
So how do we get that number up? Because if We the People Autumn Aug 2014 #6
how many times did BF Skinner's rats have to pull the lever before he let them out? (hint: he didn't MisterP Aug 2014 #23
Positive- negative reinforcement if I remember correctly. We don't vote for them if they are bad Autumn Aug 2014 #24
they did it in Canada (though the BC NDP's failed), they did it in every country in Latin America MisterP Aug 2014 #27
We've tried GOTV. Time for...... Hotler Aug 2014 #45
Result - packman Aug 2014 #7
GOTV! whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #8
Sure are a lot of people ignoring this very important OP Autumn Aug 2014 #9
The article (and attention to it) Especially being front paged - denotes a true SAD state of affairs laserhaas Aug 2014 #15
It's so sad that this doesn't have hundreds of replies and recs. Autumn Aug 2014 #16
Concur! laserhaas Aug 2014 #20
Well, yes, but lark Aug 2014 #10
The key term you're missing 'lark' - is YET... laserhaas Aug 2014 #17
See post#30.... truebluegreen Aug 2014 #31
K-and-fucking-R YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #11
This is the result of treating government like a business.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #12
HEY- EarlG - FIX the title to fit Twitter (please)? laserhaas Aug 2014 #13
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Aug 2014 #14
Yup. Here's some FACTS for ya! Romney = Bain = Clear Channel = Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck. laserhaas Aug 2014 #21
has Xe (formerly Blackwater) changed it's name again? from Blackwter, Xe, now it's Academi? 2banon Aug 2014 #35
Erik is now head of Frontier Resource laserhaas Aug 2014 #39
So how do we change this sorry state of affairs? YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #19
NO - that's NOT what tale is being told here! It's the individual who has little/zero effect. laserhaas Aug 2014 #22
I'm in SoCal - a good place to have Progressive discussions; BUT laserhaas Aug 2014 #29
Whoa! That is one of the best graphics EVER! Zorra Aug 2014 #25
I figured less than zero. kairos12 Aug 2014 #26
Big surprise there. nt Nay Aug 2014 #28
What's even worse about this study truebluegreen Aug 2014 #30
Inside the Whale. Mc Mike Aug 2014 #32
ZERO impact. The 1% is unloading our savings & retirement accounts, distracting us with whether blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #33
And this in a government supposedly where, Hubert Flottz Aug 2014 #34
Do the Math... HoosierCowboy Aug 2014 #36
Knew it. 840high Aug 2014 #40
Well that's depressing... SoapBox Aug 2014 #42
"GOP Seeks to Further Weaken Campaign Finance Laws" adirondacker Aug 2014 #43
Well, an ordinary American w/o Wall St investments has a near zero level. raouldukelives Aug 2014 #44
Lot of Americans vote against their interest polynomial Aug 2014 #46
Sad K&R. But is this more of the GOP campaign to make sure less people vote? Overseas Aug 2014 #47

valerief

(53,235 posts)
4. Knowing our condition isn't hopelessness. It just means we have to
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:35 AM
Aug 2014

stop doing what we're doing. We have to stop fanning the kings.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
18. I will keep repeating this, until we rise up in mass and demand Publicly Funded Elections and
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:35 PM
Aug 2014

outlaw all campaign contributions we are just along for a very bad ride that will only get scarier and more dangerous! If enough of us (one hell of a lot) protest and remind these SOB's that we vote and we want the bribery of our politicians and Judges to stop, we can accomplish a return to Representative Democracy. Currently, the politicians in both parties, only represent Donors!

The midterm elections would be the perfect time to do this. When the politicians fundraising is at its peak we can throw it all back at them and ask the question, "What do you have to do for all that money?"

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
37. Power, whether in the form of money or otherwise...
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:18 PM
Aug 2014

...will NEVER concede willingly. We're seeing the fruits of that right now.

It must be demanded. And it must be taken. NON-VIOLENTLY. But taken.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
38. That's is exactly it! They control our whole government and have spent decades and lots of
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:20 PM
Aug 2014

money to do it, they will not go quietly into the night for sure! We have no real choice though as their greed knows no bounds. Things will only get worse and we are the proverbial frogs in the pot of water on the stove set on high!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,027 posts)
3. True. But we did elect (twice!) a better President then the one we had. So, small as it may be...
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:31 AM
Aug 2014

it's not absolute zero: GOTFV !

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. So how do we get that number up? Because if We the People
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:08 PM
Aug 2014

have a zero impact on the policy making process we are fucked and pretending otherwise is a waste of time and effort. What we have been doing isn't working.

GOTV ???????

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MisterP

(23,730 posts)
23. how many times did BF Skinner's rats have to pull the lever before he let them out? (hint: he didn't
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:45 PM
Aug 2014

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
24. Positive- negative reinforcement if I remember correctly. We don't vote for them if they are bad
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:50 PM
Aug 2014

and vote for them if they are good? Does that kind of shoot the shit out of that ridiculous theory GOTV even if they suck cause they suck less than the other guy?

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
27. they did it in Canada (though the BC NDP's failed), they did it in every country in Latin America
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:00 PM
Aug 2014

(so well in Honduras they were forced into a coup '09 and outright murder and rigging '14 to keep the duopoly ensconced)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouseland

Hotler

(11,462 posts)
45. We've tried GOTV. Time for......
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:31 AM
Aug 2014

mass fucking protest and national strikes. There was what, about three million people on the Washington Mall when the president was inaugurated, there should be that many there right now and not leaving until we see some fucking REAL change in Washington. There should have been three million people on Wall St. when the melt down happened not the two dozen or so.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
7. Result -
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:09 PM
Aug 2014

frustration, anger at the "establishment", sense of disconnect to the policies being made, feeling of them vs. us. No wonder Congress has such a piss-poor rating.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
15. The article (and attention to it) Especially being front paged - denotes a true SAD state of affairs
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:28 PM
Aug 2014
 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
20. Concur!
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:40 PM
Aug 2014

I've been fighting Romney, Bain, Goldman Sachs for a decade plus. My evidence is so overwhelming, profuse & irrefutable - that we are blessed with some confessions already. Case could actually put Mitt in jail - and force DOJ to do a criminal RICO (my case of "Haas v Romney" is Civil racketeering). We can delve into Off Shore tax havens, Wall Street Frauds (massive) and federal corruption.

Unfortunately - it doesn't matter how strong the subject matter (and/or evidence for that matter) people simply are too bogged down to give a dang. It must be directly harming them (or be blood & guts). Otherwise, even good people - still need a greater force to motivate them to care about important subject matters.


It Sucks - that the populace depends on the main stream (sellouts) for motivation!

lark

(23,177 posts)
10. Well, yes, but
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:04 PM
Aug 2014

Romney didn't win! So when enough of us little folk band together, we can make a difference. The problem is we don't get to vote on what the House and Senate does and they are strictly (with VERY FEW exceptions) the "for millionaires by millionaires" club. There we make no difference whatsoever.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
12. This is the result of treating government like a business....
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

The guys in the board room don't give a damn what the typing pool thinks either.

They also think those low level types don't have the brains to understand what's going on.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
13. HEY- EarlG - FIX the title to fit Twitter (please)?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:26 PM
Aug 2014

Now - I don't feel so newbie anymore -

when a veteran of the realm - also does the same faux pas.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
21. Yup. Here's some FACTS for ya! Romney = Bain = Clear Channel = Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:43 PM
Aug 2014

But - did you know - that Clear Channel came from Red McCombs.

Guess what else he owns?

------------------------------------------------Blackwater!

http://academi.com/pages/about-us/board-of-directors/red-mccombs-chairman

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
35. has Xe (formerly Blackwater) changed it's name again? from Blackwter, Xe, now it's Academi?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:14 PM
Aug 2014

And what happened to Eric Prince? I checked the link you posted and it doesn't hint to any connection to Blackwater/Xe. Naturally they'd want to hide that as a factoid if it were true, but I'm wondering if you've been able to verify that?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
19. So how do we change this sorry state of affairs?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:36 PM
Aug 2014

Because the masses have little effect on the political process, apparently.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
22. NO - that's NOT what tale is being told here! It's the individual who has little/zero effect.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:45 PM
Aug 2014

Masses - ALWAYS - are effectual.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
29. I'm in SoCal - a good place to have Progressive discussions; BUT
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

- every once in a while - I run into an indoctrinated GOP'r

Convert - YoungDemCA

Convert them with the truth - and save them from RWNJ hell!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
30. What's even worse about this study
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014

is that the data it is based on was--IIRC--from 1980 to 2001.

But I'm sure that since then things have gotten ever so much better.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
33. ZERO impact. The 1% is unloading our savings & retirement accounts, distracting us with whether
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:56 PM
Aug 2014

gay American Citizens should enjoy the same Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness that everyone else enjoys.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
34. And this in a government supposedly where,
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:50 PM
Aug 2014

the government works, for the people.(100% of the people, 100% of the time) The sum of that new study, is that our government no longer works for about 99% of "We The People." Hell, we may as well elect criminally minded three toed sloths, or sharp pointed pebbles on the damned beach, for all the good we get out of our elected, or selected "representatives".

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
36. Do the Math...
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:11 PM
Aug 2014

It's a lot easier to organize 1% of the population than the other 99%. But there is a silver lining in all this, then it only takes 2% of the population organized to get things turned around.

My 2% Organizing Street Cry:

End the Wars
Tax the Rich
Jail the Banksters
That's our Bitch!

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
43. "GOP Seeks to Further Weaken Campaign Finance Laws"
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:01 AM
Aug 2014

"Experts say latest challenge could further erode contribution limits
by
Deirdre Fulton, staff writer

Republican lawmakers hoping to rake in more campaign cash from Wall Street are challenging a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission rule that limits the amount of money financiers can give to governors and state officials.

Last week, the state Republican committees of New York and Tennessee filed a lawsuit aimed at repealing a Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rule that limits the campaign contributions that can be made by investment advisers on Wall Street to political candidates. The rule is designed to prevent Wall Street from using campaign donations as a form of bribery against state officials who rely on these financial institutions to manage their investments.

Observers predict this could be the Supreme Court's next big campaign finance case. A lawyer for the plaintiffs said this year's McCutcheon decision — which struck down the aggregate limit on individual contributions to federal candidates, national political parties, and political action committees — laid the legal groundwork for the SEC challenge. Indeed, the brief cites both McCutcheon and Citizens United in its argument, calling to mind warnings that dominoes are falling as the Supreme Court moves toward eliminating all limits on campaign spending.

“That suit is ripe and it’s next in the target,” Shaun McCutcheon, the plaintiff in the McCutcheon case, told Politico on Tuesday. “There is a natural sequence of these cases. They have to go through the courts in the right order and at the right rate, and I believe that’s happening.”"

<SNIP>
"I can probably count on one hand the number of Americans outside downtown Manhattan who think Wall Street needs more influence in politics."
— Adam Smith, Public Campaign

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/14/gop-seeks-further-weaken-campaign-finance-laws

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
44. Well, an ordinary American w/o Wall St investments has a near zero level.
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 07:32 AM
Aug 2014

Those with are the ones getting the representation they are paying for. In fact we are all getting it thanks to them.
And sure, its the opposite effect of GOTV. Unless of course GOTV for libertarians and republicans is your goal. Then well done.

polynomial

(750 posts)
46. Lot of Americans vote against their interest
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:09 AM
Aug 2014

We all think about the existence in the concept of a better America, and why it isn’t happening.

Many here have identified what is wrong with America.

Over and over like a commercial sometimes it takes time with repitition to pound the issue in and then realize how in the heck the basic thought pattern was wrong in the first place.

like a commercial, said over and over or a series cable show repeated over and over. Similarly, as free air TV is implementing many old shows now. Many of the old shows are being recycled.

More often, the senses tell me Hollywood is a very fascist social structure bought off by the one percent which could stretch talent creativity as in Robin Williams. Robin Williams is one of my favorite personalities, a genius in the Hollywood sphere.

With that said anyone could guess, the media is to recycle another wave of habitually provoked metadata commercial controlled profiled old social structure shows or artists first planted by the one percent.

So the theme needs to be cycled in our debates over and over.

This is the venue as those who savor and collect those entertaining video’s such as the Robin Williams rant about Bush and that administration. The truth was hilarious. Those video’s will be a treasure in the future main stream media one percent will regret.

Yes we have heard it before but now America Democratic Underground might consider to surface with a truism that is needed to reinforce We the People.

We all wonder why a lot of Americans vote against their interest. Many of the real electorate, those who really vote are impressed and persuaded by the media, by Hollywood endorsed commercials, by very sincere men like Robin Williams.

Or, the movie theme that is total fantasy that makes Americans believe we are a super power.

Super powers should not have a little over half the demographics on the fence of poverty.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
47. Sad K&R. But is this more of the GOP campaign to make sure less people vote?
Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:18 AM
Aug 2014

They want more and more of us to feel that it just doesn't make a difference if we vote so we oughta stay home and leave things to the right wingers they'll be pushing out to the polls.

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