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Study: You Have 'Near-Zero' Impact on U.S. Policy
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valerief
(53,235 posts)shebornik
(127 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)stop doing what we're doing. We have to stop fanning the kings.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)outlaw all campaign contributions we are just along for a very bad ride that will only get scarier and more dangerous! If enough of us (one hell of a lot) protest and remind these SOB's that we vote and we want the bribery of our politicians and Judges to stop, we can accomplish a return to Representative Democracy. Currently, the politicians in both parties, only represent Donors!
The midterm elections would be the perfect time to do this. When the politicians fundraising is at its peak we can throw it all back at them and ask the question, "What do you have to do for all that money?"
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...will NEVER concede willingly. We're seeing the fruits of that right now.
It must be demanded. And it must be taken. NON-VIOLENTLY. But taken.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)money to do it, they will not go quietly into the night for sure! We have no real choice though as their greed knows no bounds. Things will only get worse and we are the proverbial frogs in the pot of water on the stove set on high!
840high
(17,196 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)it's not absolute zero: GOTFV !
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)have a zero impact on the policy making process we are fucked and pretending otherwise is a waste of time and effort. What we have been doing isn't working.
GOTV ???????
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)and vote for them if they are good? Does that kind of shoot the shit out of that ridiculous theory GOTV even if they suck cause they suck less than the other guy?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)(so well in Honduras they were forced into a coup '09 and outright murder and rigging '14 to keep the duopoly ensconced)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouseland
Hotler
(11,462 posts)mass fucking protest and national strikes. There was what, about three million people on the Washington Mall when the president was inaugurated, there should be that many there right now and not leaving until we see some fucking REAL change in Washington. There should have been three million people on Wall St. when the melt down happened not the two dozen or so.
packman
(16,296 posts)frustration, anger at the "establishment", sense of disconnect to the policies being made, feeling of them vs. us. No wonder Congress has such a piss-poor rating.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)GOTVFWTFE may just be my new mantra.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Truly sad.
I've been fighting Romney, Bain, Goldman Sachs for a decade plus. My evidence is so overwhelming, profuse & irrefutable - that we are blessed with some confessions already. Case could actually put Mitt in jail - and force DOJ to do a criminal RICO (my case of "Haas v Romney" is Civil racketeering). We can delve into Off Shore tax havens, Wall Street Frauds (massive) and federal corruption.
Unfortunately - it doesn't matter how strong the subject matter (and/or evidence for that matter) people simply are too bogged down to give a dang. It must be directly harming them (or be blood & guts). Otherwise, even good people - still need a greater force to motivate them to care about important subject matters.
It Sucks - that the populace depends on the main stream (sellouts) for motivation!
lark
(23,177 posts)Romney didn't win! So when enough of us little folk band together, we can make a difference. The problem is we don't get to vote on what the House and Senate does and they are strictly (with VERY FEW exceptions) the "for millionaires by millionaires" club. There we make no difference whatsoever.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Romney didn't win
YET!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nt
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The guys in the board room don't give a damn what the typing pool thinks either.
They also think those low level types don't have the brains to understand what's going on.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Now - I don't feel so newbie anymore -
when a veteran of the realm - also does the same faux pas.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)But - did you know - that Clear Channel came from Red McCombs.
Guess what else he owns?
------------------------------------------------Blackwater!
http://academi.com/pages/about-us/board-of-directors/red-mccombs-chairman
2banon
(7,321 posts)And what happened to Eric Prince? I checked the link you posted and it doesn't hint to any connection to Blackwater/Xe. Naturally they'd want to hide that as a factoid if it were true, but I'm wondering if you've been able to verify that?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)And he lives in Virgina . And United Arab Emirates
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Because the masses have little effect on the political process, apparently.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Masses - ALWAYS - are effectual.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)- every once in a while - I run into an indoctrinated GOP'r
Convert - YoungDemCA
Convert them with the truth - and save them from RWNJ hell!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)kairos12
(12,883 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)is that the data it is based on was--IIRC--from 1980 to 2001.
But I'm sure that since then things have gotten ever so much better.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)gay American Citizens should enjoy the same Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness that everyone else enjoys.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)the government works, for the people.(100% of the people, 100% of the time) The sum of that new study, is that our government no longer works for about 99% of "We The People." Hell, we may as well elect criminally minded three toed sloths, or sharp pointed pebbles on the damned beach, for all the good we get out of our elected, or selected "representatives".
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)It's a lot easier to organize 1% of the population than the other 99%. But there is a silver lining in all this, then it only takes 2% of the population organized to get things turned around.
My 2% Organizing Street Cry:
End the Wars
Tax the Rich
Jail the Banksters
That's our Bitch!
840high
(17,196 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Not that we don't know it but it's still a bummer.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)"Experts say latest challenge could further erode contribution limits
by
Deirdre Fulton, staff writer
Republican lawmakers hoping to rake in more campaign cash from Wall Street are challenging a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission rule that limits the amount of money financiers can give to governors and state officials.
Last week, the state Republican committees of New York and Tennessee filed a lawsuit aimed at repealing a Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rule that limits the campaign contributions that can be made by investment advisers on Wall Street to political candidates. The rule is designed to prevent Wall Street from using campaign donations as a form of bribery against state officials who rely on these financial institutions to manage their investments.
Observers predict this could be the Supreme Court's next big campaign finance case. A lawyer for the plaintiffs said this year's McCutcheon decision which struck down the aggregate limit on individual contributions to federal candidates, national political parties, and political action committees laid the legal groundwork for the SEC challenge. Indeed, the brief cites both McCutcheon and Citizens United in its argument, calling to mind warnings that dominoes are falling as the Supreme Court moves toward eliminating all limits on campaign spending.
That suit is ripe and its next in the target, Shaun McCutcheon, the plaintiff in the McCutcheon case, told Politico on Tuesday. There is a natural sequence of these cases. They have to go through the courts in the right order and at the right rate, and I believe thats happening."
<SNIP>
"I can probably count on one hand the number of Americans outside downtown Manhattan who think Wall Street needs more influence in politics."
Adam Smith, Public Campaign
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/14/gop-seeks-further-weaken-campaign-finance-laws
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Those with are the ones getting the representation they are paying for. In fact we are all getting it thanks to them.
And sure, its the opposite effect of GOTV. Unless of course GOTV for libertarians and republicans is your goal. Then well done.
polynomial
(750 posts)We all think about the existence in the concept of a better America, and why it isnt happening.
Many here have identified what is wrong with America.
Over and over like a commercial sometimes it takes time with repitition to pound the issue in and then realize how in the heck the basic thought pattern was wrong in the first place.
like a commercial, said over and over or a series cable show repeated over and over. Similarly, as free air TV is implementing many old shows now. Many of the old shows are being recycled.
More often, the senses tell me Hollywood is a very fascist social structure bought off by the one percent which could stretch talent creativity as in Robin Williams. Robin Williams is one of my favorite personalities, a genius in the Hollywood sphere.
With that said anyone could guess, the media is to recycle another wave of habitually provoked metadata commercial controlled profiled old social structure shows or artists first planted by the one percent.
So the theme needs to be cycled in our debates over and over.
This is the venue as those who savor and collect those entertaining videos such as the Robin Williams rant about Bush and that administration. The truth was hilarious. Those videos will be a treasure in the future main stream media one percent will regret.
Yes we have heard it before but now America Democratic Underground might consider to surface with a truism that is needed to reinforce We the People.
We all wonder why a lot of Americans vote against their interest. Many of the real electorate, those who really vote are impressed and persuaded by the media, by Hollywood endorsed commercials, by very sincere men like Robin Williams.
Or, the movie theme that is total fantasy that makes Americans believe we are a super power.
Super powers should not have a little over half the demographics on the fence of poverty.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)They want more and more of us to feel that it just doesn't make a difference if we vote so we oughta stay home and leave things to the right wingers they'll be pushing out to the polls.