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This happened at my neighborhood Kroger. The boy being beaten is my son's best friend from babyhood who lives two houses down from us. He grew up in my home. I am heartbroken
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shenmue
(38,506 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Hate crime:
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offenders bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. Hate itself is not a crimeand the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview
NB: I wrote this identical response to the story of teens who dumped urine and feces on an autistic kids head saying it was part of an ALS Bucket Challenge.
People are sick.
I just hope they get caught. Not sure if any of them have yet.
alp227
(32,048 posts)So why do you think this video showed a hate crime?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The second two, including the black victim, was pulled into the mess but was not, apparently, the primary victim.
As I wrote, "this seems a hate crime..."
Of course innocent until proven guilty, and we don't yet know what back stories might exist, but it has the earmarks of having been racially motivated in it's initiation.
Possibly, they'd have beaten down whomever they saw, regardless of race or sex or age.
We'll see as the investigation develops.
alp227
(32,048 posts)primarily because the victim was white. You do realize that's the kind of moral panic argument used by WorldNetDaily, right?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Here, again:
Hate crime:
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias.
For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offenders bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
Hate itself is not a crimeand the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview
NB: I wrote this identical response to the story of teens who dumped urine and feces on an autistic kids head saying it was part of an ALS Bucket Challenge.
The burden of proof would be on the prosecution, which would have to show convincingly that the person in parking lot, the initial victim, was assaulted AND was selected for the assault based upon his race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
Some interracial gang assaults are random, not race based, while others are race based and, thus, hate crimes by definition. This much seems obvious.
As I said, we'll have to see how the investigation develops.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I have a right winger who's forever forwarding these types of incidents.
kristndem
(410 posts)who is black came out to help our friend. And he got beaten in the process. He is doing good today too, thank goodness.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Bravo, amigo, bravo!
reflection
(6,286 posts)This is the Kroger I take my mother to. Just terrible.
kristndem
(410 posts)This is so shitty!
kristndem
(410 posts)I just hurt for him. He is home from the hospital which is good.
Race relations in our city are so bad as it is. We just had a bridges youth forum to help build a better future. So many of us want to bring this city together.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Its always a group of coward thugs beating on one person or some coward thug punching an old lady to get her purse or a gang of thug cops beating on some skinny homeless guy or some coward cop thug shooting some unarmed kid who had his hands up or some coward thug fuck pointing a gun at journalists and threatening to kill them
I'VE FUCKING HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THE COWARD THUG CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)All, of course, are very disturbing, to put it mildly.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/ray-albers-ferguson-protesters_n_5696715.html
kristndem
(410 posts)tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)The girl with the phone thought this was funny? How is doing physical harm to someone funny?
Fortunately, the video shows the individuals assaulting the boy, good evidence for the police. But who was the dunce who took the video, stood by, laughed and posted the video?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I assumed she was part of the gang and was recording it to amuse themselves with later.
But we are a sick bunch when violence is entertainment....but so it was in Rome.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)Now and then seems to be technology, we seem to be the same otherwise, so much for civilization.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)when someone is being injured or needs help, many simply pull out their cellphone cam and become a cameraman now.
Perhaps due to cellphone obsession, increasingly few people are present in their own lives whether that is eating dinner as a group, driving (while texting) or watching someone get beaten up right in front of you.
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kristndem
(410 posts)Any Violence of this nature, by Black Males, White Males, Hispanics or any other group should be condemned.
840high
(17,196 posts)alp227
(32,048 posts)kristndem
(410 posts)He is doing very well. It could have been a lot worse.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)What a frightening and traumatic experience. No one should have to endure this.
Such wasted potential, such sad conditions, and what can be done to turn things around?
Warpy
(111,336 posts)Imagine a few guns added to this mess.
YarnAddict
(1,850 posts)a visible firearm would prevent this type of thing from even starting.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)I was a victim of this type of thing. He will never be the same.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)School was in Manhattan, but Henry had an apartment somewhere in Brooklyn.
It was really fucked up, not even a robbery, just an broad daylight ass kicking for being himself in a nasty neighborhood.
I won't share his full name.
kristndem
(410 posts)I'm sorry your friend went through that
tblue37
(65,483 posts)ON EDIT: I see you answered that question in another post.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I hope those guys who beat him up get some good jail time.....and that he's alright.
Edit: Okay, I guess you've answered that. Tell him that AverageJoe90 and the other folks at DU said hi, will ya?
DreamSmoker
(841 posts)This is exactly the same crap i grew up with back in the early Seventies in So Cal..
Racism was high.. Neighborhoods in any City in any State were segregated..
A White Guy like myself would not walk in any Black areas as this would be the result..
Another result was Fear of any Group of young Black Men by Whites.. By design, the Black Panthers used Gang tactics to intimidate the Whites..
I saw it to many times.. One White Kid getting his Ass kicked by a Group of Black Kids..
That was 35+ years ago...
Inspite of those days.. Many of us moved forward...
But here we see that many did not....
bleedinglib
(212 posts)are really bad in a gang!!
Has the rebellion started that Manson spoke of ??
I will henceforth carry my 20 round 9 milli with me every where I go & I have 2 extra clips!! No more mister nice guy!!