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kristndem

(410 posts)
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 06:59 PM Sep 2014

Employees, Customer Assaulted Outside Kroger Gang Violence


This happened at my neighborhood Kroger. The boy being beaten is my son's best friend from babyhood who lives two houses down from us. He grew up in my home. I am heartbroken


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Employees, Customer Assaulted Outside Kroger Gang Violence (Original Post) kristndem Sep 2014 OP
Awful :( shenmue Sep 2014 #1
This seems, by FBI definition, a HATE CRIME. Find them, try them as adults, lock them the hell up. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #2
Yes It is kristndem Sep 2014 #6
Turns out there was a black victim (Kroger employee) too. alp227 Sep 2014 #15
The first victim was pulled from their car in the parking lot and was, apparently, white. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #17
By using the term "hate crime" you're asserting the attackers went after the young man, alp227 Sep 2014 #20
If you'll read the definition posted on the FBI website for "Hate Crime".... NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #21
good link treestar Sep 2014 #31
The other guy kristndem Sep 2014 #19
Guy deserves some real kudos for stepping in. AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #29
apparently you and I are in the same neighborhood. reflection Sep 2014 #3
We must be kristndem Sep 2014 #5
I feel so many ways of bad kristndem Sep 2014 #4
I've had it with the coward thug culture in America 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #7
I believe they've arrested Office Go Fuck Yourself, the last video clip. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #8
You are right kristndem Sep 2014 #9
Ignorance tooeyeten Sep 2014 #10
That was my first thought. zeemike Sep 2014 #14
Only difference tooeyeten Sep 2014 #30
people are encouraged to be spectators to their own society KurtNYC Sep 2014 #32
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #11
Not my intention kristndem Sep 2014 #12
Thank you. Color doesn't matter. 840high Sep 2014 #13
Local news coverage: alp227 Sep 2014 #16
We just got back from visiting him kristndem Sep 2014 #18
Thanks for visiting and for sharing with us here. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #23
Yeah, isn't Kroger under fire these days for allowing open carry in the stores? Warpy Sep 2014 #26
Of course, many would say YarnAddict Sep 2014 #35
As a kid ctsnowman Sep 2014 #22
In college, in NYC, my friend Henry was beaten the hell up on the way to school. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #24
The world can be so messed up kristndem Sep 2014 #25
Is he going to be okay? (Obviously we hope so!). tblue37 Sep 2014 #27
So sorry to hear about this. =( AverageJoe90 Sep 2014 #28
35 years later and nothing has changed DreamSmoker Sep 2014 #33
These chicken shits bleedinglib Sep 2014 #34
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. This seems, by FBI definition, a HATE CRIME. Find them, try them as adults, lock them the hell up.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:04 PM
Sep 2014

Hate crime:

Defining a Hate Crime
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview


NB: I wrote this identical response to the story of teens who dumped urine and feces on an autistic kids head saying it was part of an ALS Bucket Challenge.

People are sick.
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
17. The first victim was pulled from their car in the parking lot and was, apparently, white.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

The second two, including the black victim, was pulled into the mess but was not, apparently, the primary victim.

As I wrote, "this seems a hate crime..."

Of course innocent until proven guilty, and we don't yet know what back stories might exist, but it has the earmarks of having been racially motivated in it's initiation.

Possibly, they'd have beaten down whomever they saw, regardless of race or sex or age.

We'll see as the investigation develops.



alp227

(32,048 posts)
20. By using the term "hate crime" you're asserting the attackers went after the young man,
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

primarily because the victim was white. You do realize that's the kind of moral panic argument used by WorldNetDaily, right?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
21. If you'll read the definition posted on the FBI website for "Hate Crime"....
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:03 PM
Sep 2014

Here, again:

Hate crime:

Defining a Hate Crime
A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias.

For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.”

Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview


NB: I wrote this identical response to the story of teens who dumped urine and feces on an autistic kids head saying it was part of an ALS Bucket Challenge.

The burden of proof would be on the prosecution, which would have to show convincingly that the person in parking lot, the initial victim, was assaulted AND was selected for the assault based upon his race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

Some interracial gang assaults are random, not race based, while others are race based and, thus, hate crimes by definition. This much seems obvious.

As I said, we'll have to see how the investigation develops.

kristndem

(410 posts)
19. The other guy
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014

who is black came out to help our friend. And he got beaten in the process. He is doing good today too, thank goodness.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
3. apparently you and I are in the same neighborhood.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:05 PM
Sep 2014

This is the Kroger I take my mother to. Just terrible.

kristndem

(410 posts)
4. I feel so many ways of bad
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:06 PM
Sep 2014

I just hurt for him. He is home from the hospital which is good.

Race relations in our city are so bad as it is. We just had a bridges youth forum to help build a better future. So many of us want to bring this city together.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
7. I've had it with the coward thug culture in America
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:32 PM
Sep 2014

Its always a group of coward thugs beating on one person or some coward thug punching an old lady to get her purse or a gang of thug cops beating on some skinny homeless guy or some coward cop thug shooting some unarmed kid who had his hands up or some coward thug fuck pointing a gun at journalists and threatening to kill them

I'VE FUCKING HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH THE COWARD THUG CULTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
10. Ignorance
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 07:55 PM
Sep 2014

The girl with the phone thought this was funny? How is doing physical harm to someone funny?

Fortunately, the video shows the individuals assaulting the boy, good evidence for the police. But who was the dunce who took the video, stood by, laughed and posted the video?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
14. That was my first thought.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

I assumed she was part of the gang and was recording it to amuse themselves with later.
But we are a sick bunch when violence is entertainment....but so it was in Rome.

tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
30. Only difference
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 06:21 AM
Sep 2014

Now and then seems to be technology, we seem to be the same otherwise, so much for civilization.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
32. people are encouraged to be spectators to their own society
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 07:29 AM
Sep 2014

when someone is being injured or needs help, many simply pull out their cellphone cam and become a cameraman now.

Perhaps due to cellphone obsession, increasingly few people are present in their own lives whether that is eating dinner as a group, driving (while texting) or watching someone get beaten up right in front of you.

Response to kristndem (Original post)

kristndem

(410 posts)
12. Not my intention
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 08:33 PM
Sep 2014

Any Violence of this nature, by Black Males, White Males, Hispanics or any other group should be condemned.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. Thanks for visiting and for sharing with us here.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 10:09 PM
Sep 2014

What a frightening and traumatic experience. No one should have to endure this.

Such wasted potential, such sad conditions, and what can be done to turn things around?

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
26. Yeah, isn't Kroger under fire these days for allowing open carry in the stores?
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:28 AM
Sep 2014

Imagine a few guns added to this mess.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
35. Of course, many would say
Tue Sep 9, 2014, 12:04 PM
Sep 2014

a visible firearm would prevent this type of thing from even starting.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. In college, in NYC, my friend Henry was beaten the hell up on the way to school.
Sun Sep 7, 2014, 11:41 PM
Sep 2014

School was in Manhattan, but Henry had an apartment somewhere in Brooklyn.

It was really fucked up, not even a robbery, just an broad daylight ass kicking for being himself in a nasty neighborhood.

I won't share his full name.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
27. Is he going to be okay? (Obviously we hope so!).
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 12:52 AM
Sep 2014

ON EDIT: I see you answered that question in another post.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
28. So sorry to hear about this. =(
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 05:20 AM
Sep 2014

I hope those guys who beat him up get some good jail time.....and that he's alright.

Edit: Okay, I guess you've answered that. Tell him that AverageJoe90 and the other folks at DU said hi, will ya?

DreamSmoker

(841 posts)
33. 35 years later and nothing has changed
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:05 PM
Sep 2014

This is exactly the same crap i grew up with back in the early Seventies in So Cal..
Racism was high.. Neighborhoods in any City in any State were segregated..
A White Guy like myself would not walk in any Black areas as this would be the result..
Another result was Fear of any Group of young Black Men by Whites.. By design, the Black Panthers used Gang tactics to intimidate the Whites..
I saw it to many times.. One White Kid getting his Ass kicked by a Group of Black Kids..

That was 35+ years ago...

Inspite of those days.. Many of us moved forward...
But here we see that many did not....



bleedinglib

(212 posts)
34. These chicken shits
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 03:52 PM
Sep 2014

are really bad in a gang!!
Has the rebellion started that Manson spoke of ??
I will henceforth carry my 20 round 9 milli with me every where I go & I have 2 extra clips!! No more mister nice guy!!

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