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"For anyone expecting postelection contrition at the White House or vows to change course after a disastrous election for Democrats, President Barack Obama had one message Wednesday: Think again.
A day after Democrats lost control of the Senate and suffered big losses in House and governors' races across the country, Obama struck a defiant tone. He defended his policies, stood by his staff and showed few signs of changing an approach to dealing with congressional Republicans that has generated little more than gridlock in recent years.
Rather than accept the election results as a repudiation of his own administration, the president said voters were disenchanted with Washington as a whole. And rather than offering dour assessments of his party's electoral thrashing, as he did after the 2010 midterms, the president insisted repeatedly that he was optimistic about the country's future."* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And it explains why the party did not give us a single thing to vote for.
And all those dems that lost will cash in big time when next year they get high paying jobs on Wall Street or as lobbiest...sometimes you win when you lose in the right way.
840high
(17,196 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)year since 2009.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)The plan seems obvious. It is to radically restructure American society with the goal being that things get much, much worse financially for most Americans and much, much better for the financial elite (i.e. China, India, Mexico, etc.)
In order to achieve this AND not incite a revolution or a threat to their system they must swap power back and forth and back and forth (really they're not swapping power on economic issues; it's just relatively how fast we get to the bottom) and keep the people as bitterly divided as possible.
I won't be surprised to see Republicans keep the House and the Senate AND gain the White House in '16. And, no, I don't want to see that happen and I will do what I can to prevent that. I just wish the Democratic Party would also do what it can to prevent that. TPTB need for enough people in this country that vote Democratic to put the ENTIRE blame on the Republicans (and oh yes the Republicans are very much to blame, in part and mostly). I just think that we are about to get some legislation passed over the next two years that will make it very, very difficult for excitement to be generated for the Democratic Party amongst those people that would vote Democratic. The Republican Party won't severely suffer for the horrible economic legislation that's about to be passed. The Democratic Party will.
Of course, after some years of Republican power we'll put in the Democrats (with enough Conservadems to stop ANY shift back to the left). And, another leg down for the American People is ensured!! Easy peasy...
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Will poor disabled,and seniors survive the coming sellout by Obama and giving Tea Party complete control over government.
We will have endless war.Turning over power to Corporations with TPP.And people who have received Social Security,SSI,Medicare,medicaid,and Food stamps will be out of luck.
Once unions are destroyed there will be severe limit to money Dems can raise.Destroying social safety net will limit grassroots funding.Those people will be more concerned with housing and food than what goes on In washington.
The top 1% may soon have a permeant 1 party rule-GOP
The house Is lost till at least 2022 and that depends on governor's races In 2018 and 2020.If dems don't take senate back In 2016 It too may be lost for years to come.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)It is basically good cop, bad cop...and there is no other option.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Republican policies. If they didn't, they would have come out, en masse, and voted for Democrats instead of staying home to pout.
I mean, it's not as if the Republican agenda was a national secret, ya know. So the fact that Republicans were able to sweep power in Congress, State legislatures, and governor's houses, tells people that the American people prefer the Republican agenda over the Democratic one. Period.
We should all give up and accept people prefer Republicans pro-corporatian,pro-trade deals,pro-keystone,anti-entitlement,anti-social safety net,pro-endless war,anti-Gay,Anti-Black,anti-Immigration,anti-women agenda? Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying that elections matter and they have consequences, and that the American people are the ones who prefer those disastrous Republican policies. No matter how hard you try to deny it, these are the facts and these will be the facts until the 2016 elections where we can change our minds.
The pathetic turnout this past election had Republicans sweep into power and has sent the message to this president and to our Party that the American people prefer Republican policies over Democratic policies, either by voting for Republicans or not voting and helping the Republican Party win by default.
There is just no other way to explain the loss of the Senate, Governorships, and State legislatures. We are now going to reap what we've sowed. We can only hope that the president will turn a deaf ear to the elections and the message sent, and dust off his veto pen.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And they said they did not like ether party so the abstained...but those people don't count do they?
You can have a choice, tweedle dum or tweedle dee and if you don't want ethier of them what do you do when there is just two choices?
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)This is a democracy, a winner-take-all government, and anyone who doesn't understand that needs to brush up on their knowledge of the U.S. Government system.
Fact remains, you either vote for the Party you want or you abstain and allow the other Party to win by default. Either way, a winner will be chosen after the elections are concluded. It's really that simple.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And it is if this system is ordained by god and cannot be changed...winner take all even if there is only 3 people voting there will be a winner.
But bullshit to it being any kind of mandate in any kind of real democricy...our constitution does not mandate winner take all.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That said, I never claimed that our Constitution mandated a winner-take-all system. It doesn't do so explicitly, but it does set up that system through the constitutional Electoral College, making this winner-take-all system a political reality unless we get rid of the Electoral College by amending the Constitution - and I wouldn't hold my breath of that ever happening.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The delegates are the results of a democratic election and can be apportioned by the states if they want to.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)But you knew that.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)The American people didn't vote for a Republican or Democratic plan, they didn't vote at all. Staying home does not mean that the American people want or do not want anything, it means they stayed home. They didn't vote FOR the GOP, nor did they vote FOR the Dems, they didn't vote for anything. Why this is is up for debate, but to say that the American people specifically want Republican policies is false, 15% of American's do, because that's the amount that voted for them.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)The reality is, results are all that matter, priorities and pet peeves aside. If you don't vote, you allow the other side to win by default. Period. And when the other side wins, it's their agenda that they get to push forward. It sends the message that they have a "mandate" and no amount of quibbling and/or dissection of the how or why, is going to change that.
The question becomes, whose agenda, or which agenda of the lesser of two evils do we prefer? This is called political reality.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)If you don't vote you haven't actually taken a side, so there is no other side to win by default. Your implication is that only Democrats don't vote. In CA plenty of Republicans did not bother to vote, they still easily swept the valley. You can argue political reality, but an individual not voting is not the same as them voting. As for mandates, if you count all people who could have registered and voted, then turnout was only 25% for the state of CA, if you count registered voters only, turnout was 33%. The spread for the Governors race was 60/40, so that means 15% of the population voted for Brown, and 10% voted for his opponent. Some mandate there.
Does it matter? Did anyone think Jerry Brown stood a chance of losing his re-election bid (which I supported and voted for)? Of course not, hence why the seat wasn't even contested, so does that mean I got to pick which 'evil' agenda I preferred? No, the race was already decided. The problem is that American's aren't as stupid as the political elite thinks that they are. They're not voting because they know that their votes don't matter, they know that the game is rigged, at this point we're all just waiting for the match to be struck so that the stupid can burn itself out and we can right the ship and start bailing the water out.
dotymed
(5,610 posts)IF you accept the validity of our electoral system.
The ** international elections committee has not certified American elections for many years.
**not exactly sure of the name, but Jimmy Carter was an international observer with them for a while.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Had Democrats wailed loudly that voter suppression laws were stopping legitimate American voters from registering, let alone, cast their vote and had they invited the International Foundation of Electoral Systems and the Carter Center to come in to monitor our elections, that alone would have created an angry outpouring of voters, who are afraid to be disenfranchised, to the polls.
Democrats failed in that regard, the elections happened, and now we're stuck with Republican control of the most powerful body of the U.S. Government. The message now being propagandized is, the American people refuted President Obama and the Democratic Party policies and prefer that of the Republican Party.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)It doesn't make me happy to face these facts, but they are indeed the facts, and the sooner Democrats and those who vote Democratic face up to them, the sooner we can strategize as to how to turn things around.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And I agree with everything you've written in your post, too.
on point
(2,506 posts)That is horrible wrong direction via repukes and a lesser, but still mostly wrong direction under dems
BOTH parties are leading the country in the wrong direction and there is nothing to vote for
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)And an uneducated one.
But if you can't bother yourself to do the research and have a good look at the stark differences between the two Parties based on their policies, then there's nothing in the world that can change your mind and I'm not even going to attempt to.
on point
(2,506 posts)Is tweedledum and tweedledee to many of us as the dems continue to sell out to the corps
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)you have sold out this country to the Corps by default. Ever think about that?
I repeat...elections have consequences, and we have a winner-take-all system. If we turn out to vote, we win. Low turn out always, always favors Republicans. And we had a historic low turnout last week.
So those who decided not to vote in last election because they believe it's "tweedledum and tweedledee" have helped sell out this country to millionaires and billionaires and multinational corporations by default. Period. End of story. They are as much a part of the problem as Teabagger voters are.
on point
(2,506 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)jalan48
(13,873 posts)The point is that on some major issues we, as voters, are not really given a choice. Trade is a big one which Cenk talks about. Endless war is another. It's the corporate militaristic Democrats vs. the Republicans. Where's the choice?
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)- sorry, but your post is nonsense. It's beltway talk. And your "pout" language is condescending and demeaning to the stark reality of the lives people are living, under constant stress, overwork if they have a job, despair if they don't, dismally flat wages, overwhelmed by bills, debt, the still unmanagible deductables and copays under our sell-out ACA.
The Dems are not standing up for working people, not articulating the real desperate problems people are trying to cope with - they rely on sprinkling their canned messaging with the words "middle-class" - because it polls well in focus groups - as a sop to ordinary voters.
They stand for nothing much, their record sucks, and you blame the voters? Try giving them something to vote for.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)why should there even be a Democratic party even more if he Is going to enact the corporate agenda?
Why doesn't he just agree to repeal obamacare if he agrees with all this other corporate agenda.
I am disabled american on SSI,Food stamps,Medicaid,energy and rent assistance so destroying the social safety net affects me.
Then you have Hillary In the wings who Is to right of Obama.It's laughable thinking Hillary as liberal.The Corporate MSM may claim
this.It's a lie.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Does Cenk read DU?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The Republicans LIED us into a WAR for MONEY.
That is unforgivable.
Some kind of "redemption" was REQUIRED (Even a fake one) or the Republican Party would go the way of the Whigs.