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Why Democrats Suck at Voting (Original Post) rdubwiley Nov 2014 OP
Very well stated... Kalidurga Nov 2014 #1
That's what happens when you have 2 rightist parties: wishy-washy right, and hard right. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #2
Lack of basic civics is key too... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #3
There are additional problems as well Stevepol Nov 2014 #4

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
1. Very well stated...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

There are additional problems as well. There are people who are liberal leaning, but because they perceive Republicans as the party of individual rights they vote Republican. They are wrong about their perception as Republicans are very good at double speak and cognitive dissonance, but their intentions are to preserve individual liberties. We need to get on message about who is really destroying personal liberties.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
3. Lack of basic civics is key too...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:08 PM
Nov 2014

A media that refuses to inform the public as well.

For instance, debates sponsored by Exxon and asking questions from the 1% about "the Market" instead of being sponsored by The League Of Women Voters asking about price of eggs at the market.

Not to mention the notion that the government is how the people have power.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
4. There are additional problems as well
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:41 PM
Nov 2014

as stated by one of the other posts here. But these are big ones:

VOTER SUPPRESSION: this was very effective in deterring votes from Dems, esp in KS and TX, among a number of other states. It makes the 4 things he mentions even more acute as reasons why Dems don't vote. A poor person who has all kds of other problems to attend to, when faced with yet one more, a photo ID, just throws up his hands and gives up, and the same holds true for the other problems he sees with Dems as voters.

VOTING MACHINES: Of course, there's no proof that any particular voting machine has malfunctioned or been maliciously programmed or hacked or otherwise tampered with, but that's the point, isn't it? If it's almost impossible for others to catch you and if you're an ES&S maintenance man or whatnot and faced with the opportunity to throw an election, what are the chances you'll ever be caught? Or if you're one of the hard right owners or managers of either Diebold (whatever it's now called) or ES&S or any other voting machine company, are you likely to get caught if you program in some glitches that nobody will notice and that will be programmed to adjust on the 2nd or 3rd try.

Germany's high court for constitutional questions in 2009 outlawed all computers used to count votes, ruling that if the average voter cannot understand how his vote is verified, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEMOCRACY. Democracy rests on the foundation of the trust of the voters in the truth of the elections. A simpler way of saying this is, When it's impossible to verify the vote or when the vote is never audited even tho it's possible to do so, there can be no democracy.

Here's the German court decision which received almost no press in the US for reasons that should be obvious:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Germany-bans-computerized-by-Paul-Lehto-090303-583.html

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