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WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:00 AM Dec 2014

Rep. Alan Grayson: ‘88 seconds to Debate the TPP’?



Rep. Alan Grayson: ‘88 seconds to Debate the TPP’?
(Featuring interviews with Rep. Alan Grayson and President of CWA Larry Cohen.)

Recently, I spoke with one members of Congress, Alan Grayson, who has taken the time to read the top-secret trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). There is nothing redeemable in the entire TPP, Grayson told me, saying, “It is something that should be totally put to death.”

The Obama administration continues to favor what is referred to as “fast track” legislation to authorize the TPP.

Fast track, Alan Grayson tells me, who allow each member of congress “88 seconds of debate per member” meaning that there would be no meaningful debate on this trade deal carved out by the lawyers of 50 or so of the most powerful corporations in the world.

You have probably heard the TPP called “NAFTA on steroids” and for good reason. The TPP is a trade deal to dismantle democracy; or a secret global deal that combines all of the worst elements of NAFTA and Citizens United, shoots them up with steroids, sprinkles in a speedball and codifies these principles into a trade agreement that is in fact much more than a trade agreement. The trade agreement is the Trojan horse to bore you and put you to sleep so that when you wake up a global corporate coup will be in place creating a parallel system of justice where three private attorneys would oversee a kangaroo court set up to defend corporate interests in so far as corporations could sue countries or states that take action (environmental regulation, consumer protection, you name it) that may harm the potential future profits of the corporation.

In other words, if the concept of corporate personhood puts you into a fit of rage, then take a moment to let the concept of Corporate Nationhood sink in.

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla) does not think that we have to worry about Fast track legislation on the TPP being pushed through during this lame duck session of Congress, citing “people who agree with you for all the wrong reasons, and yet they still agree with you.” While Congressman Grayson states unequivocally that he is against fast track and the TPP “on the merits” there are many Republicans who oppose the TPP and Fast Track authority because they “hate President Obama.”

Strange bedfellows, according to Grayson, have created a situation where creating fast track authority for the TPP is unlikely.

Larry Cohen, President of the Communications Workers of America (CWA) acknowledges that the labor movement did not do enough to stop NAFTA over 20 years ago, but he is throwing his weight behind stopping fast track authority for the TPP. “There are a significant number of Democrats willing to support Obama on fast track,” said Cohen. “To them, we say: we will not support you going forward politically. We won’t be part of your fund raising base, but you are willing to have corporate America substitute for our support. Shame on you.”
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Rep. Alan Grayson: ‘88 seconds to Debate the TPP’? (Original Post) WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2014 OP
This is deeply disturbing. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #1
Thanks for this. zeemike Dec 2014 #2
out on a limb DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #3
I agree with you on almost everything that you say, and on the thing I don't necessarily agree on, Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #6
thanks for a good contribution to the discourse DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #7
Corporate Nationhood, indeed. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2014 #4
I would find a phrase that tell us why we do not want this and use it over and over agian. jwirr Dec 2014 #5
K&R. The international trade courts are very dangerous. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #8
 

DemandsRedPill

(65 posts)
3. out on a limb
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dec 2014

So let me go out on a limb here and state categorically that TPP will in fact pass by wide margins and will have severe detrimental effects on all aspects of our lives.

Having said that I have then got to ask ,will anyone really give a shit after the fact?
Certainly no evidence of any real outrage prior to it.

No one seemed to care enough to have their voices heard BEFORE (where it really counts) the last debacle that was an election.
And of course the silence was deafening the day of the election.

Now a rubber stamp for TPP is even more assured than before the election.

And just let met say this.

The person who preached Hope and Change and had the bleating sheep vote for him in large numbers, is now one of the biggest promoters of this bargain basement sell off of our sovereignty to transnational corporations (let's not mention his other sellouts to Republican dogma shale we) and he is labeled a Democrat and still finds allot of sycophantic support among his loyal subjects. That same party's faithful in large enough numbers to matter now thinks the likes of Corporate War Hawk Hillary Clinton is even worthy of being a member of the party yet alone a candidate for President.

If those who proclaim loudly in private conversations, on this site or in local gatherings that this is not acceptable, where is the justified outrage that really counts and could have some real impact?

It's nowhere
It's a myth
It's a fable you tell yourself to be entertained and lull yourself to political sleep.

Hell we even occasionally see some folks claiming we are headed for a revolution.
In your dreams.

Why the disconnect between what is voiced on sites such as this and the resultant real action taking place beyond the keyboard?

Too busy?
No one else leading the charge?

More excuses de jure!

It's bullshit!

A country gets only the government it deserves.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. I agree with you on almost everything that you say, and on the thing I don't necessarily agree on,
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:28 PM
Dec 2014

you are probably right about that! I cannot however, let myself give up. We have two years before the next election, and we have a Senator, Bernie Sanders who is considering a run provided he sees enough support from the 99% to give it a shot. He is for Publicly Funded Elections (PFEs), getting rid of campaign contributions, and the revolving door. It will be a long shot to convince Democrats to vote their beliefs instead of who is the most electable. Obama proved that the corporations own both sides, in fact the majority of Democrats are bought off as well thanks to a system that allows bribery of our politicians.
PFE's attack the root problem of our Democracy that causes us to lose on education, environment, Breaking up the big banks and media conglomerates, co-opted Regulatory Agencies, police reform, and a whole laundry list of issues. Convincing an apathetic citizenry that we need PFE's and that they must really fight in mass to get them is an uphill battle to say the least.
I refuse to give up. I will continue to spread the word and encourage others to help me do the same. A Sanders/Warren ticket would have a chance if she can be convinced to do it.
George Carlin agreed, it is a big club and we aren't in it! I say we continue to FIGHT!!! Who is with me?

 

DemandsRedPill

(65 posts)
7. thanks for a good contribution to the discourse
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

Yes Bernie Sanders

The guy from Vermont , who even though he willingly aligns himself with ideas labeled (god help us) Socialist, gets elected time and again.

And he gets elected, not only from those folks who are the 'traditional leftists' or even the 'tree huggers.'

He gets votes from allot of folks from what is called The Northern Kingdom.
More South Dakota than Lower Manhattan.
DU's from that area of the country if there are any, feel free to elaborate

That's an area near the Canadian border populated by folks who are far from being labeled left.

Just common folks trying to make a living for themselves in a less than cooperative climate.

I have some friends from Vermont who tell me about the small town hall meetings they have where Bernie generally squashes his competition simply by speaking about only what he actually believes himself and not something well crafted and honed by someone who does not even live in the state.

He conveys his ideas in a simple to understand, even folksy manner and he does not deliver allot of typical political garbage well aligned with the group think of DC.

And what he told you last year or last month is probably what he will tell you now.
Did not have to take notes to remember his lies.

Of course he gets away with this because he is first of all an independent and secondly he always finds someone covering his back. He's out front and leading but only when his 'followers' lead from behind. HINT! HINT!

Bernie and his political life should be a template for all Democrats (I don't give a damn if the candidate is from East La, Mississippi or Chicago. The truth and plain speaking works when applied to those who also seek truth and recognize it and who also don't speak like a wealthy ivy league-r). The silent majority maybe?

Of course we all know or at least should know that today's Democratic Party and its bosses don't want a Bernie Sanders as their true function in political life is to simply act as the silent second party so that the gullible still think we have a two party system.

Admitting that it's all rigged and just one party may actually get at least a couple folks mad enough to stamp their feet and have a hissy fit.

Then go back to their texting and Facebook-ing to complain

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. I would find a phrase that tell us why we do not want this and use it over and over agian.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:54 AM
Dec 2014

I suspect that protesters in the gallery should protest when ever a rethug speaks using the same phrase. Four or five protesters at a time so they do not all get kicked out at once. Make fast track as miserable as possible. Hammer the idea that we do not want this in as hard as we can. If they will not let us speak then scream.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. K&R. The international trade courts are very dangerous.
Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:26 PM
Dec 2014

Our foreign trade deficit is also dangerous to our country. It is huge -- enormous -- way out of proportion to the industrial sector of our economy.

Horrible as it looks, it appears to be better than it really is because we export a lot of things like movies, industrial equipment, etc. that will not in the long run mean good jobs for middle-class Americans.

We are at the edge of a precipice when it comes to our trade deficit and the service sector orientation of our economy. It's a terrible combination. And then top it with the extreme focus on military-industrial war machinery production in our economy. We are already in trouble.

The TPP will push us over the cliff. It needs to be stopped if our children and grandchildren are to be able to live decent lives.

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