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Related: About this forumPapantonio: Surprise! More Guns Means More Death
The right wing talking heads love to tell us that a good guy with a gun can help prevent tragedies like weve seen in the last few years. But as it turns out, open-carry laws and the rise in gun ownership have actually caused even more unnecessary deaths.
America's Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, talks about this with progressive host David Pakman.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Guns make death and injury on a mass scale just so much easier, fatal accidents and suicides so much more likely, mayhem and carnage with the squeeze of a finger, and after all it is what firearms were designed to do, kill and injure rapidly and easily. The mentally unstable and the pathologically violent are the only ones thankful for the easy access to these weapons. Not much use otherwise than for the military and police and folks living in forests, and who hunts for food anymore?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Fortunately for most people, that is- those of an authoritarian bent would
probably prefer the statistics in these links remain obscure:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172156018
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172155609
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/1995/95sec2.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-offense/expandedoffensemain_final
These will, of course, be small comfort to those that believe some methods of death
are somehow worse than others...
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)are preventable deaths...eliminate the widespread possession of unneeded weapons. Not rocket science, just logic and statistically sound.
Love the accusations of "authoritarianism", tells a lot about the paranoia that drives gun ownership at these ridiculous rates.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Back to the topic, America and its shameful gun murder rates, my graphs are really good, no?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Certainly, liberal availabilty of legal firearms hasn't resulted in Canada, Finland,
Norway and Switzerland becoming charnel houses.
And why *gun* murder rates, in particular? Are not victims via other methods just
as dead?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/15/suspect-sought-in-3-separate-shootings-that-killed-5-in-pennsylvania/
You have already kindly linked to my proposals in your other posts.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Actually, it's more of an analogy.
I see analogies!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)One can post everyday and just a matter of time before another preventable, inexplicable violent death by gun in America to add to the statistical carnage.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Demilitarization of the Police Requires Demilitarization of Civilians | Benjamin Studebaker
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/about/
Posts in this category will discuss my concept of the sophiarchist state (as opposed to the democratic or traditionally authoritarian states), a concept of which I am most fond.
http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2013/08/30/reintroduction-to-sophiarchism-2/
...I argue that, at present, the most reasonable way to do this would be restrict the vote to people with a degree in a social science discipline (political science, economics, philosophy, law, history, and sociology immediately to my mind as relevant disciplines). There maybe be room to argue as to how high a level a degree we should requireBA, MA, or PhD. In my view, the more advanced the degree requirement, the better our voting pool will be. Given that many BAs and MAs end up in unrelated fields, while most social science PhDs end up working in academia, the PhD requirement also helps to ensure that specific interest groups with large numbers of social science BAs and MAs (like investment bankers) dont end up unduly influencing state policy. PhDs have wide-ranging opinions that do not conform to any narrow ideology and they put in many years reading, writing, and thinking about the state and society in order to earn their qualifications. They all have to submit well-constructed dissertations and cannot get by on mere memorization of facts.
After this royalist craptrap was righteously denounced, you had the crust
to proclaim yourself arbiter of who and what is and is not progressive:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172157321#post14
The subject of gun control has always attracted self-appointed politruks,
but you take the cake- touting the work of a writer who makes George F. Will
look like a hippie,
while simultaneously pronouncing anathema on others for a purported lack of progressivism...
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)Continue to empower the repugs??
How is that working out?
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)Continue to empower the repugs??
How is that working out?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Propaganda only works if the graphs are lies.
Nice work finding fabricated data to make your case